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Post by clevelandslim on Jan 23, 2008 14:47:41 GMT -6
Where is the starter relay located? I think this is why I am having problems getting my car to turn over. I just had the starter tested, and it passed. Now it's actling like the starter isn't getting any juice when I turns the key!!!
Please help.
~Slim~
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Post by austinator on Jan 23, 2008 14:57:06 GMT -6
search for "starter solenoid". There is a procedure on how to jump it. Try that and see
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Post by clevelandslim on Jan 23, 2008 15:50:03 GMT -6
search for "starter solenoid". There is a procedure on how to jump it. Try that and see Ok... I tried to jump the starter solenoid. The only thing that happened was the wire sparked a few times then got hot. But the starter didn't do anything, not 1 peep. The starter was just tested this morning. Passed every test, 5 or 6 times. So now what? Could it still be on the fritz? ~Slim~ |
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Post by alecbeaton on Jan 23, 2008 16:07:52 GMT -6
The autozone test machine is not always correct. It doesn't measure for torque or free speed RPM of the starter. I'd just get a new one, or at least a different used one for comparison.
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Post by clevelandslim on Jan 23, 2008 18:23:25 GMT -6
About to installed a pepboys reman starter. fingers crossed... head hurts.
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Post by alecbeaton on Jan 23, 2008 18:33:03 GMT -6
If you still have trouble after that, do a voltage drop test on the starter main lead. That cable could be corroded inside the sheath, naked to the eye, causing an insufficient supply of amps to the starter motor itself.
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Post by clevelandslim on Jan 23, 2008 21:10:00 GMT -6
Now starting religiously... Autozone starter test... DO NOT RELY on those!!!
~Slim~
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Post by alecbeaton on Jan 23, 2008 22:21:42 GMT -6
Told ya  Just for anyone else who thinks that they do a decent job. Also, NAPA uses the same computer system and test machine, and it's just as bad. They just passed a GARBAGE, original, 213k mile 3800 starter. Completely useless. |
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Post by motbooz on Jan 24, 2008 7:36:06 GMT -6
Wait - Slim....
Does that mean your problems are over? Solved? You have revived the patient?
All of them?
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Post by aarcuda on Jan 24, 2008 7:48:06 GMT -6
Now starting religiously... Autozone starter test... DO NOT RELY on those!!! ~Slim~ good to know. I hate autozone |
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Post by clevelandslim on Jan 24, 2008 9:28:33 GMT -6
Wait - Slim.... Does that mean your problems are over? Solved? You have revived the patient? All of them? NO. Autozone sold me a battery about 11 days ago. Vented, perfect replacement for the original battery. I get it home... wound up having to charge it with my Black and Decker smart charger. The charger gave the battery an open cell fault. So, I returned the battery to Autozone and they swapped it out. Now the swapout battery is doing the same thing. Will barely crank the car. I stuck the charger on it. Open cell fault! WTF Autozone??? |
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Post by motbooz on Jan 24, 2008 12:19:00 GMT -6
Slim -
Seems like AZ has lost a customer - or at least that AZ...
We're all pulling for you - right now, yours is the only major drama on the repair front for classics in this board. JimW is back on the road.
I am to the clevelandslim saga what my wife is to "Days of Our Lives".
Good luck!
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Post by clevelandslim on Jan 24, 2008 12:49:41 GMT -6
Just talked to a local mechanic. He had these additions...
"Pepboys parts are garbage. The motor turns slow, it's probably the Pepboys starter."
I'm waiting for a tow truck to get the car and take it to Pepboys. They mentioned the diagnostic costs, etc. I told them, and I'm going to be firm... 'if it's YOUR STARTER... why should I pay for the diagnostic? If it's not the starter, then I'll pay.'
I need this FIXED.
So far today I have had the battery on a charger. It's juiced. The alternator is new. The battery is new. The starter is new. The car started last night. Now it's barely turning... sound like a bad starter to me.
~a disgruntled... Slim~
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Post by alecbeaton on Jan 24, 2008 12:49:53 GMT -6
You're better off going to batteries plus and getting yourself a 79-ULT. It's their top of the line, i doubt you'd have a problem with that one. Or... You could always put an optima in it. But that might be out of the price range.
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Post by clevelandslim on Jan 24, 2008 12:54:06 GMT -6
You're better off going to batteries plus and getting yourself a 79-ULT. It's their top of the line, i doubt you'd have a problem with that one. Or... You could always put an optima in it. But that might be out of the price range. To be on the road, with no more headaches, IN MY RORA... I doubt the Optima battery is out of the price range. But it sure seems like my problem now is this Pepboys starter. Time wasted plus parts... I have already ventured beyond my budget! ~ a disgruntled... Slim~ |
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Post by mattn on Dec 9, 2009 8:47:38 GMT -6
Just wanted to chirp in on Autozone starters. I had to replace one in my son's Bonneville. The one I bought from AZ kept giving a high pitched whine/binding noise, either before, or after, starting the car(depending on shims installation locations). They provide shims that supposedly get rid of the noise by shimming either at the front, or back, or both mounting bolts - but these proved useless on the AZ starter.
After an entire day of trying every combination or shimming under the sun, I finally went to Murrays/Oreillys and got one of their starters - which worked, and had no whining/binding noise - immediately upon installation, and with no shimming at all!
The AZ starter started the car, but I was afrai.d to leave it in the car, for fear that the whining/ binding noise was the teeth on the starter gear not meshing properly with the flywheel teeth, and would eventually damage either one, or both.
I am not a fan of AZ starters at this point - but that is based on that one experience.
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Post by mattn on Dec 9, 2009 8:57:35 GMT -6
Oh, and as for testing, the old starter worked at both AZ and Oreilly's on their bench testing machine - even though it would not start the Bonneville. But, the guy at Oreilly fired up the old starter about 5 or 6 times, and we both began to smell a burning odor. He said that failing starters can be diagnosed in that manner, even if the starter gear appears to work under a bench test.
Also, the bench test does not involve a load on the starter motor - such as when the starter has to spin the engine over. So the bench test can tell you if it is completely useless starter(wont spin at all), or a very weak one that spins - but mat not turn the engine over at all.
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Post by mattn on Dec 9, 2009 8:59:18 GMT -6
Oh, and the original thread question - where is the starter relay, and what is the testing/replacement procedure? Thanks.
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Post by hiphophead on Dec 14, 2009 23:17:18 GMT -6
 You can use a jumper wire to test the relay or you can purchase a new one and see if it solves your problem. |
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