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Post by BuccaneersFan on Jun 26, 2007 19:23:22 GMT -6
I recently installed a new head unit and I was pretty mad when I found out I would lose the date feature on the DIC, not to mention the radio and A/C steering wheel controls. As many of you probably know, a product made by PAC called the SWI-X can restore the radio and A/C controls, so I was like ok, now how can I get the date back.
Well, I've figured it out and the solution is free, that's right, FREE. ;D
Here's how I did it, I took apart the stock radio, stripped it down till I only had the main circuit board which has the plug for the original wire harness. After hooking up the new radio there will be 4 wires left - dark green, light green, yellow, and brown. I took those leftover wires and hooked them back up to the matching wires on the stock plug (if I had known better I could have never cut them in the first place) and then spliced in the orange power wire and the black ground wire to both the old plug and the plug for the new head unit. Bingo, date feature is back on the DIC. I was able to find room for the circuit board below the radio. You can get to this area by removing a small panel which is on the passengers side right below the radio and ashtray.
After hooking up the circuit board it takes a few minutes for the DIC to recover the date feature so be patient.
Also, last night when I finished this mod I not only had the date feature working but also the A/C controls as well but for some reason this morning the A/C controls where not functioning. I'm not sure why this occurred but I plan on doing some trouble shooting to see if I can get it working again.
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Post by alecbeaton on Jun 27, 2007 8:34:32 GMT -6
I hate to tell you... But yellow, brown, lt. and dk. green are speaker wires. Specifically right front and left rear. Idk how you had those wires left over, because when i installed my head unit in my '96 there was none left over, besides the usual remote power wire. I can't see how speaker leads have anything to do with the date function of the DIC.
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Post by BuccaneersFan on Jun 29, 2007 6:56:49 GMT -6
I hate to tell you... But yellow, brown, Lt. and Dk. green are speaker wires. Specifically right front and left rear. Idk how you had those wires left over, because when i installed my head unit in my '96 there was none left over, besides the usual remote power wire. I can't see how speaker leads have anything to do with the date function of the DIC. There are three yellow wires, three dark green wires, two brown wires, and I think two light green wires. You only need two wires for each speaker so there are definitely leftover wires. If you have a service manual you can look in the back of it and see the diagram for the radio plug which shows what each wire is for. According to the service manual (book 2 of 2 pg. 8A - 202 -56) it says Lt green is "Remote radio control signal," Dk green is "Diagnostic signal entertainment and comfort," Brown is "Instrument panel lamp feed #2," and Yellow is "Instrument panel lamp feed tertiary." It's different if you have a Bose system, if you have one then that may be why you didn't have any leftover wires, if not you may have hooked up your radio incorrectly.
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Post by alecbeaton on Jun 29, 2007 23:15:50 GMT -6
I never thought of that. I just used a plug-in adaptor. I spose there's just empty pins on the headunit side of the adaptor, so i didn't even notice on the car side. I should try this, because i miss my fan/temp speed. Radio i don't care about. Thanks for the correction.
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Post by rraa497 on Aug 27, 2007 18:14:11 GMT -6
Does this really work? The date not working bothers me probably the most about my car right now! I know I'm kinda out there...... Please let me know about this and I will being doing this tomorrow!
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Post by Poindexter on Mar 11, 2009 10:52:59 GMT -6
Has anyone besides B.Fan done this with their stereo's? I don't care much about the date feature but I am curious if the fan/temp controls actually do start working again, it seems that was still in question...
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Post by mikek on Mar 12, 2009 11:03:59 GMT -6
Don't see why this wouldn't work. The car still thinks that the stock head unit is attached. I can confirm that the wires mentioned are the correct wires.
I would have tried this, but I didn't want to mess up a working radio.
Of course you won't able to use the steering wheel radio controls.
-mk
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Post by jackkarneval on Mar 15, 2009 20:12:48 GMT -6
This thread requires pics!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2009 20:23:39 GMT -6
This thread requires pics!!!!!!!!! haha he took my advice and became active...thats a very good job!!!!! I agree, I want some detailed pics!!
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Post by jackkarneval on Mar 16, 2009 12:20:18 GMT -6
Yeah man, get some pics, then sticky it, for all those future Aurora owners lookin to pimp out their sound system.
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Post by Poindexter on Mar 19, 2009 13:12:54 GMT -6
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Post by kaykirk on Mar 19, 2009 13:33:36 GMT -6
^^ man of few words ;D sorry, just couldn't help myself
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Post by sall on Apr 23, 2009 10:15:43 GMT -6
As soon as I get my hands on an extra wiring harness for the stock radio I plan to do this. When I took a look at some wiring diagrams I found the four (4) wires you mention.
Connector View:
E1 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] E16 F1 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] F16
Wire Labels and Functions:
E1 Dark Green Diagnosis Signal Entertainment and Comfort
E5 Light Green Remote Radio Control Signal
F4 Brown Instrument Panel Lamp Feed #2
F5 Yellow Instrument Panel Lamp Feed Tertiary
Now I am sure that will give the date function back. Not quite so sure about the AC Fan Speed/Temp but I do not see why it would not work. Those are all the wires used for the steering wheel functions as far as I can tell. So am I going to give it a go.
I do notice one a diagram though that PPL/WHT coming from the stereo and is labeled see A/C. So I'll look into a bit more for the fan speed/temp. Going to try the posted way first and see what happens
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Post by Speed Neon on Apr 23, 2009 19:26:30 GMT -6
i thought we had figured this out already. man we need a sicky on this because it comes up so often.
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Post by sall on Apr 23, 2009 21:04:09 GMT -6
i thought we had figured this out already. man we need a sicky on this because it comes up so often. I was not questioning the validity of getting the date function back. I do know the question pops up quite frequently. I have known there was a fix for quite some time. When I do it, I will take some pictures and turn the process into a write-up. So we have a link to point to for reaining DIC date function. If it becomes sticky worthy. ;D Now, the blower controls and temp, I do not know. We will see I guess. Since it is still in question. Unless someone chimes in says, "Yes, I did this, the blower and temp controls are working!" ;D
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Post by Speed Neon on Apr 24, 2009 1:43:38 GMT -6
i relocated a factory indash to the trunk to retain the steering wheel controls for the hvac and the time on the dic before i posted that a while ago.
95 dic's have an internal clock so all 95's will not lose the date and the eta on the dic. starting in 96 the dic uses the clock from the radio for the date and the eta.
god we have been over this a million times, we need to get our stickies together. really.
the 95 dic is not compatible with 96-99 due to the internal clock. i have tried it. it didnt work. or should i say i tried a 97 DIC in a 95 and it didnt work. so the internal clock thing is a definite for 95's. and is missing in all 96-99 DIC's.
i fel safe in saying that all 95's must use a 95 DIC. and will not lose the date or the eta.
We all kno that the steering wheel controls are routed thru the radio, and than to the hvac.
the all the buttons are wired to the same wire that goes thru the clock spring. the buttons all have different resistance values which are used to identify the functions. the radio measures the voltage drop and than either responds accordingly or serial datas a command to the hvac unit.
to maintan the date and eta on 96-99 models we must either relocate the factory radio, which i have done before using a 04 tahoe radio relocation harness. and yes it was a hassle but it worked and still works fine.
or we must disassemble, to a point unknown, the factory radio and leave it semi functional to do its measure and relay duties. but the problem is were to stash the disassembled now ready to cause an electrical short, and possible fire, radio behind the dash.
i for one am not to keen on have a disassembled radio stashed in my dash. its not clean and if my tech buddies were to see it i would never here the end of that. to boot i dont need an electrical short waiting to happen behind my dash anyway.
even tho its a pain i say install the tahoe relocation harness and move your radio to the trunk when you install a aftermarket head unit. or go sans eta or date. this idea is great and all but not many classic owners are going to be willing to accept the risks of this proposition.
pros: cheap less labor intensive did it yourself feel good feeling
cons:
hack job possible electrical shorts were do you stash this thing you will need a new factory radio if you ever go back stock possible fire hazard
like i tell everybody pick your poison.
the tahoe harness was about 200 buxs. but that was a year ago the prices should of dropped by now. but prob not by much.
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Post by BuccaneersFan on Feb 10, 2010 11:07:03 GMT -6
I thought I would chime in on this thread since I am the author. I can verify 100% that the fix I did works to keep the date function on the DIC. The steering wheel controls for the radio WILL NOT work and I don't think (not 100% on this) there's a way to make them work with the OEM radio guts. I think the only way is to buy the aftermarket controller I mentioned in my original post or something like that. As for the steering wheel A/C controls they work sometimes and I haven't figured out why that is. It's definitely not because of a loose wire, I do know that. It seems that there is a certain set of steps that cause those controls to work or not work, but I haven't been able to narrow them down. What I mean is that there is something I've done, maybe turned on the A/C by using the auto feature or something like that and then they worked. Of course I could be totally wrong on this and maybe it just randomly works or doesn't work, could be an electrical gremlin! ;D Edit: I was just reading Speed Neon's post, which I had missed, and if what he says is indeed true pertaining to the wires connecting to a wire that goes through the clock spring, my problem with the sporadic functioning of the steering wheel controls for the A/C might be caused by the fact that I believe my clock spring is going bad because my horn only works when it's in a certain position. So maybe if my clock spring was good the A/C controls would function properly! idk
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Post by BuccaneersFan on Feb 10, 2010 12:56:52 GMT -6
we must disassemble, to a point unknown, the factory radio and leave it semi functional to do its measure and relay duties. but the problem is were to stash the disassembled now ready to cause an electrical short, and possible fire, radio behind the dash. The radio must be disassembled to the point of only having the main circuit board which is where the face of the radio plugs in and you must have the face which allows you to set the clock. This isn't too hard but it is a little bit of a job, there's a million and one tiny screws to take out to remove the cd player and other motors and junk. As far as where to put the thing when it's done, it can placed behind the ashtray and under the radio on the floor. This area is accessed by removing a medium sized panel on the passenger side of the ashtray at the bottom. So if you where seated in the passenger front seat it would be to the left of your feet. There's enough room in there, that's not a problem and the chances of it causing a fire are pretty slim, in my opinion, as long as you properly connect the wires with either crimp connectors or wire nuts and electrical tape. Mine has been in there for about 3 years now and I've had no problem at all. I should mention that if anyone does this mod, they should be aware that if the radio guts lose power (most likely from disconnecting the battery) you will need to open up the panel and gain access to the radio face so you can reset the clock to the correct time. This is only a slight hassle! ;D
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Post by sall on Feb 10, 2010 14:52:24 GMT -6
I did a write-up for this which is stickied. You only need the main circuit board. All you have to do to set the date is set it at midnight. This way it cycles in 24 hours. You will have to do this every time you lose power. If you want to leave the dials and all that, that is fine but then you have to remove panels to get to the install again. BTW this mod is still working and I believe one or two others have confirmed it as well. Check out the sticky!
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Post by bowtiecrazz on Aug 3, 2010 13:38:00 GMT -6
i no this is a old thread but i just did this on my 99 and the hvac controls work along with the date. am currently building a thin plastic box to mount the circuit board in.
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Post by RCA1186 on Aug 3, 2010 17:32:15 GMT -6
I did it too, I just kept the whole radio, don't really see the point of disassembling it, easier just to keep it in tact, have it stashed under my aftermarket h/u on the floor behind the kick panel. I have the HVAC controls as well. Have had it for almost a year now with no problems.
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Post by xxcels96aurora on Aug 4, 2010 5:54:30 GMT -6
I have a 1996 Aurora...to keep the computer display working I went to a junk yard and purchased a 2nd radio connector and wired it into the harness minus the speakers. I placed the factory radio under the center console near the firewall. It is accessed by the kick panel on the passenger side. Works like a charm until you have to deal with time changes. So 5 minute twice a year is nothing.
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Post by XJSman89 on Oct 17, 2010 11:40:19 GMT -6
I figured this out with some help from this thread, some texts messages to Rob and Don, a FSM, and some elbow grease. I made a pretty detailed writeup. You can find it here.
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Post by andy2003si on Apr 6, 2012 11:41:55 GMT -6
And you said "If I had known better I wouldn't have cut them in the first place." What do you mean, or recommend for us people JUST now installing an aftermarket headunit/cdplayer for the first time to keep our DCIC/Steering Controls in tact, and where exactly did you connect the cut wires too? To the old factory head unit, but what happens once it's taken out again, just a bit confused on that if you could help clarify both questions, thanks!
ALSO: I do not know about the HVAC steering wheel controls, but most good headunits/dvd players now adays have wires that can connect to your factory steering wheel volume & seek/programmed station buttons! I know ebay carries a bunch for under a hundred dollars easy!
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Post by sall on Apr 6, 2012 12:07:46 GMT -6
Just follow the write-up. All you really need to do is use wiretaps but I am not a fan of wiretaps and prefer to make own connector or solder. This is one of the easiest 'mods' to do if have after market. www.aurorah.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=Audio&thread=21404&page=1It's pretty much verbatim my old write-up as I was first to venture a try at this when it was up in the air if it would work or not. I have a device for CarPC that kept all functions but the date and I don't need that because it's always on the CarPC screen.
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Post by Paulaurora on Apr 7, 2012 8:12:00 GMT -6
I guess 2g made differently since i have aftermarket radio and didn’t do any mods like that and date still works and ac controls too except the radio controls that i need to get special adapter for it.
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