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Post by teamaurora on Jul 26, 2005 12:41:04 GMT -6
Looking into purchasing a first gen. Aurora next spring. I was just wondering what the Autobahn package is (what it includes) and what years it was available. And are there any extra concerns in regards to reliability with the Autobahn package? Not sure if that's what I'm looking for or if a standard model will do. Are there any model years I should stay away from or look for in particular when looking for any Aurora? Thanks a bunch! I appreciate your input.
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Post by Letitroll98 on Jul 26, 2005 12:56:57 GMT -6
What's an Autobahn - and do I have one ? This is a variation on what is one of the most common questions on the forums. "What is the Autobahn option?" The Autobahn option only applies to classic Auroras and it was a factory option that included Michelin tires with a V speed rating instead of a standard S rating, and a 3.71 transaxle final ratio instead of the standard 3.48. What they didn't advertise - and the reason why many people ask if they have the option - is that these two changes allowed the engineers at Oldsmobile to increase the speed limiter from 110 mph in the non-Autobahn car up to 135-140 mph in the Autobahn equipped car. In addition to a greater maximum speed the optional transaxle ratio also gives quicker acceleration (and poorer fuel economy). "Do I have one?" The obvious way to find out if your Aurora has the Autobahn option is to take the car out for a drive and see if you can go faster than 110 mph - this may not be practical though, and an easier way is to check the tire information label inside the driver's door and see if it lists V rated tires, don't bother to check the tires themselves as they may not be the originals. Another way is to read the RPO list which you'll find inside the trunk - (the exact location of the list depends on the year of the car, up to 1996 it was inside the trunk liner near the antenna, and on the 1997 and up it was on the inside of the spare tire cover.) The autobahn car will have a code of QQX for the V rated tires, and a code of FV4 for the final drive ratio of 3.71. Oldsmobile dealers may have offered different packages of options, or "Preferred Equipment Groups" but nothing else was included with the Autobahn package from the factory. Chrome wheels, sliding glass sun roof, gold graphics and more were all offered as options on the Aurora, but none of these on the car are an indication that the car has the Autobahn option. Autobahn was not an option with the 4 litre Generation 2 Auroras, they have H rated tires standard, as well as the 3.71 final drive ratio and they are speed limited to 135 mph. (Tire speed ratings: V=149 mph; H=130 mph; S=112 mph.) www.howardm.net/dred98/autobahn.php
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Post by teamaurora on Jul 26, 2005 13:16:01 GMT -6
Thank you so much for your prompt and informing response. I tried to look around a few different places today on-line, but couldn't find an exact answer. Thanks much!
From what I've been reading, I'm probably just going to go for a '98 or '99 standard (or regular or whatever you want to call it) Aurora. Is there anything I should pay special attention to when checking them out / test driving them? Thanks
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Post by Letitroll98 on Jul 26, 2005 16:09:05 GMT -6
You're welcome, and welcome to the best Aurora site on the web. But I just cut and pasted Howard's (dred98) work from his web site linked at the bottom. So I'll steal some more stuff about the 98-99 model years for ya. Improvements for 1998: New front control arm design with front hydraulic bushing and rear cross axis ball joint for smoothness and isolation. Internal rebound springs added to front struts for improved body motion control and to minimize crashthrough Increased wheel travel (3MM) and redesigned jounce bumpers for softer feel at full travel Dual durameter cradle mounts for improved isolation Premium valving/damping in front and rear struts for a higher refinement in calibration New more accurate wheel sensors for improved ABS actuation New steering calibration for more on center feel and reduced parking lot effort. www.howardm.net/dred98/review1.php
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Post by bLACk AurOrA on Jul 26, 2005 23:48:42 GMT -6
yeah i hate the steering on my 95. its like you got to turn it a full turn to take a tiny little turn.
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Post by scottydl on Jul 27, 2005 11:40:40 GMT -6
These questions have come up a lot lately... I think Letitroll's comprehensive answers (or copying and pasting from dred98's webpage anyway ) deserve a sticky!
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Post by oldsauroraman1 on Aug 27, 2005 12:50:42 GMT -6
Is is possible to "Autobahn" an Aurora by simply changing the transmission with an Autobahn Transmission?
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Post by Superdemon on Sept 6, 2005 8:48:09 GMT -6
Seems to me that the Autobahn package would also require a Autobahn computer. But I could be mistaken.
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Post by Custom88 on Sept 14, 2005 21:40:35 GMT -6
Seems to me that the Autobahn package would also require a Autobahn computer. But I could be mistaken. yes. If you don't hte speedometer will be off and the governor would still be in place.
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Post by SupaStealth on Sept 14, 2005 21:51:10 GMT -6
hmm, i bet you could find one at the junk yard and replace it with the non-autobahn computer!, i might just have to do that, although the transmission is different, hmm...
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Post by jon on Jan 30, 2006 17:28:31 GMT -6
Just to thank all contributors for helping me make a decision on whether to pull the trigger on a 98 which may/may not have the authbahn. Think I may go for it either way.........only 60,000 miles on ....... Thanks again, all very interesting.
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Post by scottydl on Jan 30, 2006 21:00:06 GMT -6
It's a great feature, but yeah don't base your buying decision just based on whether or not the Aurora is an Autobahn. You'll love the car either way!
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Post by rye on Mar 25, 2006 16:53:24 GMT -6
did the '95s have autobahn available, or was it introduced in 1996?
Thanks
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Post by auroralover on Mar 26, 2006 8:07:17 GMT -6
did the '95s have autobahn available, or was it introduced in 1996? Thanks I believe the Autobahn package was available for all 95-99 models. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
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Post by parts68 on Apr 4, 2006 18:37:16 GMT -6
I have 2 95s and a 96 all 3 have autobahn package and sunroofs
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Post by aurorabrain on Jun 3, 2006 2:21:48 GMT -6
The autobahn option is easialy added. You need a 3.71 differential (changed from 3.48) and your computer reprogrammed, or if you have a '95, the EPROM needs to be changed. I did this to a '95 and a '97 aurora, works flawlessly. If you don't get the PCM changed the shift timing will be wrong (instead of .35sec shifts they will be more like 1 sec) and torque management will prevent you from accelerating at normal power (your car will be gutless.) Also, if you have a 95-99 and want to put a newer trans in your car ('00-'06 4t80-e) you need to replace the wiring harness inside the trans as well as the valve body with the fluid pressure switch, and put your p/n safety switch on the outside of the case and re-use it. I have also done this and it works flawlessly. In some situations (like a '95) you may need to change the pressure control solenoid in the side of the case because it has a different electrical connector. Any questions on any of this, and i'd be glad to help.
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Post by scottydl on Jun 5, 2006 17:26:53 GMT -6
Hehe, doesn't sound too "easy" to me. I'm guessing you have some substantial automotive background, to speak of this like a no-frills weekend project.
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Post by aurorabrain on Jun 11, 2006 1:30:00 GMT -6
Actually, if you have the tools a typical mechanic has, and you're just changing the differential, it takes about an hour. For the computer programming, it takes about 10 minutes. (a 95 you have to change the EPROM) I just happen to work at a dealership, so all this information is readily availiable and so are all the tools. If anyone wants to know anything about this, i'd be glad to help. jasontheisen@hotmail.com
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Post by levymic on Aug 16, 2006 21:22:26 GMT -6
How much does a new EPROM chip cost for a '95?
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Post by meddler on Dec 6, 2006 13:53:22 GMT -6
So a V rated tire on the inside door panel would indicate an Autobahn package on a '99?
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Post by scottydl on Dec 6, 2006 14:30:21 GMT -6
So a V rated tire on the inside door panel would indicate an Autobahn package on a '99? From page 1 of this thread: The obvious way to find out if your Aurora has the Autobahn option is to take the car out for a drive and see if you can go faster than 110 mph - this may not be practical though, and an easier way is to check the tire information label inside the driver's door and see if it lists V rated tires, don't bother to check the tires themselves as they may not be the originals. Another way is to read the RPO list which you'll find inside the trunk - (the exact location of the list depends on the year of the car, up to 1996 it was inside the trunk liner near the antenna, and on the 1997 and up it was on the inside of the spare tire cover.) The autobahn car will have a code of QQX for the V rated tires, and a code of FV4 for the final drive ratio of 3.71. In other words, yes.
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Post by meddler on Dec 6, 2006 18:02:26 GMT -6
Sweet, got one! Wouldn't of known otherwise...
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Post by auroraborealis on Jan 20, 2007 17:31:37 GMT -6
There are no differences in appearance between the regular aurora and autobahn,...... correct?
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Post by Marc on Jan 20, 2007 20:00:19 GMT -6
Right. Autobahns don't have any special badging.
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Post by chieftain on Feb 12, 2007 14:16:50 GMT -6
Aurorabrain (or anyone else watching):
Is it possible on a non-Autobahn car to just re-flash (or replace) the EPROM/PCM for the simple purpose of bypassing the top speed limiter?
I recently purchased a non-Autobahn car and don't particularly care to undertake the expense likely involved in acquiring/swapping out the diff, but I wouldn't mind the unregulated top speed and quicker shifts associated with the package.
Any comments welcome.
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Post by aaaauroraaaa on Feb 12, 2007 14:19:33 GMT -6
Quicker shifts? I don't think autobahn package included quicker shifts. Top speed limiter, not too sure how easy it is... But i'm also interested
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Post by Marc on Feb 12, 2007 15:19:39 GMT -6
On an OBD II Aurora (1996 - 2003) the PCM has to be reflashed to get rid of the speed limit. You have to ask around. Some dealers will do it, others won't. On a 1995 (OBD I) the chip has to be changed.
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Post by chieftain on Feb 12, 2007 16:10:45 GMT -6
I obviously mis-read Aurorabrain's post at the top of Pg. 2 regarding quicker shifts, so forget that part. Marc, can you advise on how to find a chip without the speed limit?
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Post by aurorabrain on Feb 12, 2007 17:29:30 GMT -6
I was advising about the PCM not knowing how to shift the transmission (ie: shift duration) due to the unknown gear ratio if you switch the differential and not the programming.
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Post by Marc on Feb 12, 2007 19:23:50 GMT -6
Chieftain.......I have noted the info about a chip without the speed limit for the 1995 Aurora:
1994-1995 Oldsmobile AURORA: 1994/1995 V8 4.0L 32-Valve Engine -- Speed limiter removed, performance tuned **Hot**
7/10 second difference in 1/4 mile E.T (3.42 diff ratio car)
$329 Memcal $329.00 SD
Source: http://westers_garage.eidnet.org/GM.htm
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