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Post by sall on Nov 24, 2013 8:57:56 GMT -6
It wasn't oil but rather power steering fluid. Check your power steering level, if it's low add POWER STEERING FLUID ONLY, not a utomatic transmission. I have had Dex VI in both my both of my Auroras power steering systems for quite a while now. No issues. ATF is miscible with PS fluid.
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Post by strohmoose on Dec 29, 2013 17:33:47 GMT -6
Would sucking 10-12 ounces of Seafoam through the intake vacuum help with the smoking and increase mpgs?
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Post by arthurpendragon on Jan 26, 2019 18:54:27 GMT -6
First - REPLACE YOUR PCV VALVE!!!!
Then put a 12 oz can of brake fluid into the oil about 2 days before you change it.
I've done this for over 40 years - once when I buy a car - and never has it done harm or caused trouble. It will rejuvenate the valve stem seals and all rubber parts that come into contact with the oil.
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Post by AuroraGirlFromMars on Jan 28, 2019 0:08:36 GMT -6
Err... brake fluid in oil seems sketchy. brake fluid is a strong solvent.... and attracts moisture, not really something you want shooting around your crankcase.
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Post by RCA1186 on Jan 28, 2019 8:13:42 GMT -6
Yeah sounds fishy to me. I've heard of overfilling the crankcase with ATF and running it, but never brake fluid. Personally I don't like to put anything into my engine that isn't made to be there from factory. I won't question it if it has worked for you but I would never do it.
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Post by arthurpendragon on Jan 30, 2019 5:27:05 GMT -6
Well, first, I'm not trying to convince anyone to do this. I have done it many times. It rejuvenates the rubber parts. Brake fluid swells rubber (neoprene). That's why they use it in the brake system. Valve seals are made from neoprene...
It will do an engine flush, too. The tiny oil filter on our cars might be a problem if the motor is really sludged up inside. I freaked out when I saw it! Just watch your oil pressure light, I guess. I will not do this to my car until its first oil change. The oil was new when I bought the car.
Why would I tell you to do something that would damage your motor? What's in it for me?
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Post by AuroraGirlFromMars on Jan 30, 2019 12:09:49 GMT -6
ive read that swelling isnt necessarily a good thing unless it conditions. Because you can swell a bad seal and all you really do is mask an issue moreso than truly solve it. Ya know what I mean? I mean, my car im 80% sure is shot but i might give it a shot at some point
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Post by arthurpendragon on Jan 30, 2019 13:44:23 GMT -6
did you change your pcv valve taylor?
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Post by AuroraGirlFromMars on Jan 30, 2019 14:17:15 GMT -6
Yes. I had a thread about my time. Car has no oil pressure after being on for more than 2 minutes. 80% sure bearings just are flat worn out. Ive let the car sit for months now and I might try some miracle in a can ideas like brake fluid just because I've got nothing to lose.
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Post by arthurpendragon on Jan 30, 2019 20:26:12 GMT -6
Might be crud in the crankcase. It would find the oil pickup in 2 minutes, finally starving the engine of oil.
Bake fluid just might fix that... Is it knocking? Have you changed the oil pressure sender or put a manual gauge on it?
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Post by RCA1186 on Jan 31, 2019 8:38:00 GMT -6
Well, first, I'm not trying to convince anyone to do this. I've done this for over 40 years - once when I buy a car - and never has it done harm or caused trouble. It will rejuvenate the valve stem seals and all rubber parts that come into contact with the oil. I have done it many times. It rejuvenates the rubber parts. Brake fluid swells rubber (neoprene). That's why they use it in the brake system. Valve seals are made from neoprene...It will do an engine flush, too. Then you mention it again in another thread The "new way" to make an engine has it's drawbacks. It's a lot cheaper because there are no main bearing caps. The "filling" of the sandwich style block is the bottom of the mains. But in real life, that results in oil leaks. It also precludes rebuilding the motor. The mains can not be resized, of course. You can try putting a 12 ounce can of brake fluid in the crankcase about 2 days before you change the oil. If the gasket that leaks is rubber it should restore it, sealing the leak. I've done this all my life, with every new (to me) car I have bought. Never has it caused trouble, or damage. If that's not trying to convince anyone...I'm not sure what it is haha. Why would I tell you to do something that would damage your motor? What's in it for me? Don't worry man, no one is accusing you of trying to harm anyone's motor, it's just that most of us have never heard of this and are a little put off by it. I don't think you would mention it had it not worked for you many times and everyone is free to do as they wish.
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Post by arthurpendragon on Jan 31, 2019 14:39:53 GMT -6
ill never mention it again - promise
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Post by AuroraGirlFromMars on Jan 31, 2019 16:25:34 GMT -6
Huh, my response never posted. anyway, my other forum on my motor I pretty much tried everything.(even manual gauge) Since my car has been sitting for months, I might try your brake fluid thing since brake fluid is cheap and I got nothing to lose. Since Im willing to try it, which type of brake fluid? I know DOT 3 and DOT 6 brake fluids all react differently, so that would be important to know, too.
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Post by arthurpendragon on Feb 1, 2019 13:47:30 GMT -6
Well, Taylor, I believe your car loses oil pressure within 2 minutes of being started. What I do not believe is your bearings are the cause. It just never happens like that. Other things wear out before bearings. The rings, the timing chain - lots of things.
Its more likely your oil pump. An oil pump has a safety valve that bypasses oil pressure, beyond a certain point. It is a spring behind a steel ball. The tube all this runs in is slotted - the pressure forces the steel ball into the bore until it uncovers the slots. Then the oil runs out the slots, bypassing pressure.
Sometimes some dirt (etc) gets into the bore and causes the steel ball to stick in a position that bypasses pressure...
Brake fluid, Rislone, Marvel Mystery oil - there are a lot of things that MIGHT clean out the dirt and restore your oil pressure. Its doubtful anything will help it while its cold. The motor would have to be at operating temp.
When you had a manual gauge on it, what did it look like? Was the pressure good at first, then dropped all at once? Or was it weak from the startup?
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Post by AuroraGirlFromMars on Feb 1, 2019 14:34:33 GMT -6
Goes from 40psi on start to 0psi within a few minutes.
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Post by arthurpendragon on Feb 2, 2019 8:29:06 GMT -6
OK - good news and bad news. Good news is, if the bearings were worn out it could not have 40 psi - at all.
If the bypass valve in the oil pump was stuck the pressure would be weak all the time. But initial pressure should be around 60 psi... so maybe that's it.
And maybe there are chunks of crud floating around in the oil. Maybe those chunks are being sucked into the oil pickup, blocking it.
Do an oil change. New filter! Fill with two quarts straight 30 or 40 motor oil (no 10w-) and three quarts of diesel fuel. Put the diesel in first. Never mind the oil pressure light. LISTEN to the motor as it runs. If it really starts whacking, shut it off. Let it cool off and do it again.
After about an hour running time do another oil change, with filter. Pay attention to what comes out. Are there chunks of crud in the waste oil?
If the problem cleared use normal oil. If not, repeat the above.
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Post by AuroraGirlFromMars on Feb 10, 2019 19:16:07 GMT -6
I have done oil changes. I will list what I have done so far. I have replaced oil pan gasket, cleared oil pick up tube at the time, had some crud on it.(dont really want to do that job again...) I have done 3 oil changes, one regular oil, one with straight 50 oil and filling the car with 12 quarts per the one TSB, and then another puting 10-40 in after that didnt work. Every time the oil comes out with crap and really black, even after only some running. just the other day I ran it until warm, then it started having no pressure, with the brake fluid. Let it sit overnight, started it again and it still had issues. Then I parked it and said screw it ill try something else in the future. So there is a quart or so of brake fluid, synthetic DOT 3, sitting in my oil pan in my car.
Ill try the diesel thing... but im gonna have to wait till its warm, I dont wanna screw the engine with it being too cold for the thick oil. I have quarts of straight 30 laying around and it moves like molasses in my tundra area.
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Post by AuroraGirlFromMars on Feb 10, 2019 19:18:30 GMT -6
All I noticed was it took longer to get to no psi, but its also 50 degrees colder than when the issue started. Before it took 2 minutes, this time like 10.
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Post by AuroraGirlFromMars on Feb 10, 2019 19:53:32 GMT -6
Also why diesel and not, say, kerosene?
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Post by tigger on Feb 12, 2019 1:18:12 GMT -6
Jebus, why not straight up MEK? It's all gonna do way too much, way too fast.
Begging you to NOT do this!
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Post by AuroraGirlFromMars on Feb 12, 2019 3:57:28 GMT -6
Well tigger, its kind of an experiment and I honestly have nothing to lose. If it were to work that would be great, if it doesn't Im out nothing. I wouldnt do it if the car didnt have the problem.
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Post by arthurpendragon on Feb 12, 2019 5:23:57 GMT -6
Also why diesel and not, say, kerosene?
Kerosene will work. It's very similar to diesel, which is cheaper, and a lot easier to find.
The tiny oil filter on these cars scares me! Try just changing that cause the crud you got loose could easily have plugged the filter.
A QUART of brake fluid is way too much - it's powerful stuff - and I would not let it sit around with that in it. I never used more than a 12 ounce can and I did it 2 days before I changed the oil. Then again, I never had your problem.
Way back in the day (I'm 69) quaker state motor oil was turning into grease in motors. I used to know the name of the process that was happening. I have taken apart motors that had an inch (literally) of "mud" on every surface.
If it is taking longer for the pressure to go away you are making progress. The oil filter is probably what is wrong, now.
As you said, you've nothing to lose. Don't give up but don't use a quart when 12 ounces is recommended, ok please?
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Post by AuroraGirlFromMars on Feb 13, 2019 8:23:50 GMT -6
Well no going back haha, I just had plenty and decided to throw her in. This weekend Ill drain and put some used motor oil(but still clean), that I took out of another car for reasons I wont discuss to put in. Just got two wix oil filters in the mail. And holy cow, from what ive seen from my 3.8l oil filter in weight and internals and now THIS oil filter, there is no going back to AC Delco. More pleats, high quality, and just appears to be better made.
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Post by AuroraGirlFromMars on Feb 13, 2019 8:28:11 GMT -6
Also kerosene can be bought off the shelf pretty easily where i live, a lot of people still use it for heaters. Also some gas stations still have pumps. Could I submerge the motor in it, let it soak, then drain it, put a 3 quarts of kerosene, put more oil in, let it run like you say? The reason I dont want to use diesel is because it gels in these temperatures.
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Post by arthurpendragon on Feb 13, 2019 17:41:14 GMT -6
Kerosene will work - just as well. I didn't know you lived in the arctic! Or close...
Did you change oil filter?
Submerge... Go slow - if you loosen too much crud it certainly will plug the filter. That will starve the oil pump... Then you really will have to take the thing apart!
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Post by arthurpendragon on Feb 16, 2019 19:33:44 GMT -6
AuroraGirlFromMars - what happened? You're killing me here...
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Post by AuroraGirlFromMars on Feb 16, 2019 19:35:11 GMT -6
I have not done it yet.
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Post by AmunRoo on Jul 23, 2020 16:08:23 GMT -6
Having a similar problem. I get low oil pressure but only after reaching operating temp and at idle or at a stop and in gear. Changed the oil pressure switch and have done the seafoam, marvel and other crankcase cleaners. Still does it. Running 15w 40 fixed it for a while but it came back. Thinking bad cam bearings at this point.
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Post by jl205 on Oct 22, 2021 8:25:43 GMT -6
wow i never knew so many of us had this lol. well my exhaust doesnt shoot out visible smoke or anything like that. and that comment about racing the engine to 100 isnt that a bad thing to do? im gentle with my car i never take the rpm over 2 and a half.. is that good or bad? so what oil is the best for me? i have around 129,000 miles. and im pretty sure this isnt suppose to happen but when i changed the spark plugs about a month ago there was a little of oil on like 2 of the plugs. i dont really want to get into that though lol im just a college student
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Post by jl205 on Oct 22, 2021 8:33:27 GMT -6
Has anyone ever changed oil pan gasket on the 2001 Aurora. Need info on how to change it without removing the engine. Please help. I have all three of the books for the 01 aurora and there is nothing in it. Only shows with the motor out. Can someone please help. Thanks a lot.
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