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Post by synthesis on Nov 17, 2013 8:14:28 GMT -6
Anyone used one of these to install Hands free in their car?
Sent from my HP Touchpad
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Post by awehlage on Nov 17, 2013 9:34:23 GMT -6
Cool product but not sure on the capability. I can or someone else dig in the FSM to see if the OnStar connectors or compatible. Can't select our vehicles in the drop down order box so that's why I'm a little leary. Also have to read about the GMLAN component.
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Post by Marc on Nov 17, 2013 9:57:09 GMT -6
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Post by awehlage on Nov 17, 2013 13:47:34 GMT -6
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Post by sempar on Nov 17, 2013 18:57:14 GMT -6
If GM went to LAN on the 2003 model, it should work. 2001-2002 Auroras were still Class 2 serial data buss, so it won't work on those.
John
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Post by synthesis on Nov 19, 2013 13:23:29 GMT -6
I've been in contact with CoStar about the module. I am being told it *should* work with the Auroras... I need to get the Onstar pigtails from a 2003+ vehicle. A Trailblazer or Envoy are the best options as it sits just below the rear passenger seat on them. I have the wiring schematics for the BlueStar device as well as which pins connect to which OnStar pins on the GM Harness... For the GM harness: costartech.com/pb/products/datasheets/BLUESTAR%20II/BLUESTAR%20II%20External%20GMLAN%20Connection%20App%20Note.pdfLooks like the module will work, it just won't be plug and play. Now to see if I can find funds to order one... A friend has one he said I could play with, but I don't want to risk his. Costar Pinout PnP Color Signal CONNECTOR PIN Color P16-8 Black GND BLUE E1 BLK - - P16-2 Red REDLED BLUE F9 BRN/WHT - - - - P12-2 Grey VOICE OUT- RED A6 BLK/WHT P12-10 Black MIC IN- RED B10 BARE P16-16 Red VBAT BLUE F16 ORN P16-6 Yellow KEYPOWER BLUE E6 LT GRN/BLK P16-11 Grey KEYPAD BLUE E4 DK GRN/WHT P16-3 Green GREENLED BLUE E5 YEL/BLK - P12-5 Purple CLASS2 RED A2 PPL - - P12-1 Yellow VOICE OUT+ RED A8 BRN/WHT P12-9 Purple MIC IN+ RED B9 GRY/BLK |
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Post by synthesis on Nov 19, 2013 15:39:15 GMT -6
More information...
The 2001 Olds Aurora was built with a Generation 2/3 VCIM for OnStar...
2002 Auroras have Generation 4, and 2003 have generation 5.1 or 5.2.
I'm finding conflicting reports that state the Generation 2/3 hardware can be upgraded to as high as Generation 6...
Still digging.
Edit:
The Gen 6 and up models are CDMA digital. Some were Class 2 bus and some were CAN (Controller Area Network) bus.
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Post by synthesis on Nov 19, 2013 16:01:46 GMT -6
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Post by synthesis on Nov 19, 2013 16:42:48 GMT -6
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irectus
Aurora Driver
To each his own - for us, an Aurora.
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Post by irectus on Nov 19, 2013 21:32:09 GMT -6
HOoooOly!  sweet dude. Let me know how it goes cause I'm SERIOUSly interested. I'm just getting to this problem now and need to rectify it. I got an 01 'rora, so i need to upgrade first. Gen 5.1, 5.2 or 6 (class 2)..... know any part numbers? I'm not as knowledged as yyou are on the subject, but I am eager and willing. |
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Post by tigger on Nov 19, 2013 23:36:01 GMT -6
This topic gets kicked around every so often; (note the date) Didn't crawl into the trunk until Friday, and I found the old style, 2 box Onstar setup in my car. Chris at costartech tells me that it needs a hard-wired adapter harness - another $29 for the harness and he'll wire it in. If you have the single box onstar, it's truly plug and play. I'm getting one, just not sure how long it will take to save the $$.... Don't know if anyone's ever actually done it though!  |
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Post by synthesis on Nov 20, 2013 10:46:11 GMT -6
Some hard data... The BlueStar *is* compatible with the 01-03 Auroras, at least on the Class 2 serial side of things. The 01 and earlier Auroras still used the entertainment bus for various functions re: the radio... BUT, from what I am finding, OnStar will still mute the radio with the BlueStar installed and will work just fine... Chris at Costar has confirmed it will work with the Aurora...
I have a module in my hands right now, borrowing from a friend and his Cadillac. I need to get the harnesses from an 03+ GM vehicle and do some creative wiring.
I wish I had the funds to pick one up right away...
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irectus
Aurora Driver
To each his own - for us, an Aurora.
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Post by irectus on Nov 20, 2013 11:18:24 GMT -6
good to hear! sorry, but what harness are we talking about here?
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Post by synthesis on Nov 20, 2013 11:27:31 GMT -6
good to hear! sorry, but what harness are we talking about here? Harness: Need the VCIM connectors from the 2003+ GM Vehicles that I can then use to splice into our existing harness... I haven't pulled the rear panel in the trunk yet, but I believe the OnStar module(s) in the 01-03 had a short harness "jumper" between the modules and the vehicle... You could just rock the lever out of the way on a single connection tying the OnStar harness to the vehicle, and then remove the OnStar VCIM module(s) and that short harness... If that is the case, you can remove that harness from the vehicle and modify the OnStar connectors by removing them from the harness... Then wire in the two new connectors from the 03+ and plug in the BlueStar (or a Class 2 capable 03+ OnStar module)... You'd be back in service. I can verify by pulling the panels on the 01 and 02, and swapping the 02 hardware into the 01. I believe the 02 had the single VCIM module, and the 01 had the dual VCIM modules... If that harness moves over with the modules and the 02 stuff works in the 01, then I have confirmed the ability to upgrade OnStar on our vehicles to the newer single VCIM unit. Then it is just a matter of finding a Digital or Digital/Analog Class 2 capable unit from a vehicle and moving it over... My disposable income is non-existent, so I have posted a thread in the marketplace for my 02... Going to start parting it to fund this research. |
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Post by awehlage on Nov 20, 2013 11:51:52 GMT -6
Synthesis: Are you planning on having the OnStar be functional or just doing the swap to obtain OEM bluetooth?
If just bluetooth looks like you have it figured out. If retaining OnStar functionality I would imagine you need a digital cellular antenna and throw away the analog cellular antenna.
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Post by synthesis on Nov 20, 2013 12:04:34 GMT -6
My ultimate goal is to have OnStar functionality AND Bluetooth in the built-in OnStar VCIM when all is said and done... That is very unlikely to happen, so my next solution is to have the non-OEM Bluetooth replacement....
W/Regards to the antenna, yeah, I'd need to locate either an OEM window mount antenna for digital, or upgrade to the roof mount "puck" on top, which would look nicer.
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Post by Marc on Nov 20, 2013 13:43:53 GMT -6
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Post by synthesis on Nov 20, 2013 13:52:50 GMT -6
Funny you should mention that, the original BlueStar modules were based on the HF850 unit... They had a plugin module that the HF850 plugged into and everything was then handled by the OnStar buttons on the mirror. The new system is an all-in-one unit that supports GMLan and Class 2. |
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irectus
Aurora Driver
To each his own - for us, an Aurora.
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Post by irectus on Nov 20, 2013 14:32:16 GMT -6
Please don't take this the wrong way, but if going that route marc, why not just get a Jabra or something along those lines; bluetooth so no wires, 1 unit so its simple and clutter free, also the jabra can FM transmit to your radio so everything comes through on your car speakers, not to mention can do voice activated calls and stuff.
The point of Costar Bluestar installation is so everything is hidden (no aftermarket parts to be seen), everything stays OEM -sound plays through car speakers, mute radio when calls come in, use factory rear-view mirror mic, etc.
We've also learned that going this route, you (probably) can actually upgrade your [OnStar] system to a more relevant and usable digital system... or so my understanding goes...
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Post by synthesis on Nov 20, 2013 15:40:13 GMT -6
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Post by synthesis on Nov 20, 2013 16:00:03 GMT -6
I now have a list of vehicles that operate on the Class 2 bus....
Now to get my hands on a module from one of them...
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Post by awehlage on Nov 20, 2013 16:06:01 GMT -6
I now have a list of vehicles that operate on the Class 2 bus.... Now to get my hands on a module from one of them... PM me the list if you want...I have a JY 1 mile from work I could quickly run over to and look. |
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Post by synthesis on Nov 20, 2013 16:17:37 GMT -6
PM Sent.  That list may not be 100% accurate... BUT, if you can find OnStar equipped vehicles that match those years/models and they have the roof mount digital antenna AND you can find the OnStar module, document year/make/model/antenna type and part number from the module... If any of those items match up AND you find a Bluetooth enabled module (Bluetooth icon on module), let me know... |
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irectus
Aurora Driver
To each his own - for us, an Aurora.
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Post by irectus on Nov 20, 2013 17:33:25 GMT -6
Question, if its possible to upgrade our old gen 2/3 systems to a more current gen6+ system, why would you want to install a BlueStar? .... Your OnStar would be functional (wouldn't most Gen6+ come with bluetooth, and if not, just get 1 that does)? ... i mean, attaching the bluestar and losing Onstar functionality doesn't make sense to me....
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Post by synthesis on Nov 20, 2013 21:39:15 GMT -6
You know how projects get off track? Yeah, this is one of those. What started as "I know nothing about this, has anyone used it" ended up being a "Heeeeeeeeyyyy.... Why couldn't we do THIS?!" So... I may revise the first post once I have some answers, and ask a mod to rename it for me... On that note I have some GREAT news for us as 2G owners... You know that OnStar "Harness" I keep talking about, the short one that goes between the vehicle wiring and the OnStar units? We have one. A lever lock connector that attaches to the back of the OnStar bracket... My 2001 has the old 2 unit OnStar system in it. My 2002 has the single unit OnStar system in it. The wiring connectors between the two are not interchangeable. The short harness between the OnStar unit and Vehicle wiring IS interchangeable... Tonight I moved my 2002 (analog) unit to my 2001, removing the dual units from the 2001 and installing the single unit from the 02... Everything plugged in with no issues, and when I hit the OnStar button, I heard the lady talk... When I hit the white dot and it said "Ready" I had it list the directory, which is the same directory that was on my 2002 from before I purchased the car. So that brings me up to wire tracing... The newer OnStar module harnesses have the same type of lever lock connector and the pinout is very similar... I believe I can do this, once I find a module. Before  After  |
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Post by sempar on Nov 20, 2013 23:15:02 GMT -6
Synthesis,
I'm pleasantly surprised. I thought that when GM upgraded vehicle communications from Class 2 to LAN or later CAN, was when OnStar switched to digital. Looking at the info you've dug up, I think it can work....
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irectus
Aurora Driver
To each his own - for us, an Aurora.
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Post by irectus on Nov 21, 2013 11:06:49 GMT -6
Yeaah buddy, You can figure this out!
I can't wait to hear the post someday soon, "functioning digital OnStar in 2G aurora". That'll show GM just how useless and non-customer oriented they are.
So as of right now, if we pulled out the 2 box setup and put in a newer 1 box OnStar setup (I assume the unit you put in was a gen 5.1/5.2? Although we need 6 or higher?), all will hook up properly and flawlessly?
I take it now we're looking for VCIM and antenna? Or do you still need a gen6+ OnStar unit?
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Post by synthesis on Nov 21, 2013 12:11:51 GMT -6
Here's what I need to find... Based on this list of vehicles I got from Chris at CoStarTech, the vehicles on Page 1 should all be Class 2 compatible vehicles... The list isn't 100% accurate, and is missing the Aurora.. www.denofsyn.com/personal/OnStar/ApplicationGuide2.pdfSo, with that information in mind, we need to locate any of those vehicles in the list that are 2003 and newer and get the following information from them: Antenna type (Window Mount/Roof Mount - Roof mount is digital, window mount can be either but is usually Analog Module location and part number.. If it is a 2 piece module (similar to my first picture of the modules above), you can ignore the vehicle. I've created a Google Doc that you can document cars you find in the salvage yard from the list above. DocumentSince we already know the Auroras were Analog, I put two in as examples... I figure we can take pics of the relevant labels on cars in salvage yards as we go... Once we find something that corresponds with the list and has a part number that corresponds with a Digital unit, or has the Bluetooth icon on it, we can then do testing. The only place around me that sells parts from newer (2003+) vehicles doesn't list the OnStar units in their parts books, and told me that since it is electronic, it'd be 200 bucks. |
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irectus
Aurora Driver
To each his own - for us, an Aurora.
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Post by irectus on Nov 21, 2013 12:44:05 GMT -6
sounds good. just waiting to hear if i can get the day off work, in which case, i'm gone to all the closest JYs to find this out I don't suppose you would have any P/N's for digital OnStars? Whats the P/N of the single (analog) onstar unit from your 2002? we should stay away from those, just don't know how to tell the difference between a digital single unit and an analog single unit... other than the clear and obvious Bluetooth mark/signage. BTW, i know this a rube moment, but I don't know what your referring to in terms of "short harness", do you mean the wire harness connector that attaches the onstar system to the car wiring? imageshack.us/photo/my-images/801/6mi8.jpg/BTW, i have a list of 9 Auto wrecker yards i wanna call/stop by to check out. hopefully 1 of them has what we're looking for.... |
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Post by synthesis on Nov 21, 2013 15:26:36 GMT -6
BTW, i know this a rube moment, but I don't know what your referring to in terms of "short harness", do you mean the wire harness connector that attaches the onstar system to the car wiring? imageshack.us/photo/my-images/801/6mi8.jpg/Yes... That harness connector should work between almost all vehicles that have Class 2 Buses. Also: The Chevy Suburban had a rolling change in the middle of the 2005 model year switching from Analog to digital/analog systems... Those Onstar modules will work for our systems as they are Class 2 Serial. Anything 2005-2006 SHOULD be digital capable. Also according to some info I just found, all 2005 Cadillacs had Digital/Analog capable systems. |
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