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Post by ohiobuckeye on Dec 7, 2014 18:36:16 GMT -6
Given my username it should come as no surprise to anyone that I root for the Buckeyes, and that last night's game and today's news from the selection committee have made for a happy Buckeye Nation. I also understand how heartbroken the fans of TCU and Baylor must be right now. No gloating here. As much as I think we "deserved" to make the 4th spot, I'm sure each fanbase feels the same way, and rightly so. Each school had a compelling argument to make. I honestly did not envy the spot the selection committee was in. There wasn't a right answer and whatever they came up with was going to piss alot of people off.
FWIW;IMHO.... I would have dropped Florida State out of the top 4, with OSU taking their place at 4, leaving TCU at 3. ( I hear ya Baylor fans, but I put more weight on your common road opponent WVU than your 3 point win at home vs TCU which I view as a draw.) I know it goes against all traditional poll-based thinking that we are used to for an undefeated FSU to drop out of the mix, but that team really is not worthy, and when Oregon beats them by 30 everyone will realize it. The shame is that WE did not draw FSU because I have no illusions that we will beat Alabama. But one can always hope for the best.
Your thoughts?
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Post by lkraft92 on Dec 8, 2014 0:09:05 GMT -6
Me being from nebraska, I am in no way a buckeye fan. I am husker through and through, but I will be rooting for osu in the playoffs. To have a B1G school in the playoffs is great for the conference. The B1G has kinda been the laughing stock of the power 5 conferences, especially with my husker and Michigan having problems. If osu can beat bama, and make it to the championship, that will validate our conference and we should be taken seriously. With Mike Riley taking over hc for the huskers, it should make for an interesting couple years in the B1G. I can't belive I'm going to say this but, good luck osu buckeyes.
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Post by tigger on Dec 8, 2014 0:10:38 GMT -6
Well, I don't like the new "committee" system. But with that said, they did come up with the same 4 teams that the now defunct BCS system would have yielded(in a different order, of course). How surprising...
They took the "easy" way out, explained it all away with conference championships, and strength of schedule. It's the new same old, same old. It's a crock.
FWIW, I think your Buckeyes match up better with Alabama than either FSU or Oregon...
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Post by plato442 on Dec 8, 2014 10:01:46 GMT -6
There was no right or wrong answer. i believe that a committee of HUMANS selecting the teams is better than a computer doing so. Gives it a, how do you say, human element... Yes the Buckeyes made a STRONG argument to be in the top four after a dominating performance over a ranked Wisc, BUT i don't think FSU should have be dropped out of the top 4 after having a close game against a ranked GTech and staying undefeated. Yes it stinks that a very tough TCU and Baylor are left out of the picture, and sucks even worse that TCU was dropped 3 spots, BUT if the Big 12 wanted a stronger case to have one of its teams represent the Big 12 in the top four, HAVE A BIG 12 CHAMPIONSHIP! Yes they both had great performances in their finals games, Baylor having the tougher against a ranked K State. And as the Big 12 has it, Baylor would have jumped TCU in the event of a tie, as stated here. I'm just happy that my Boise State Broncos are heading back to the Fiesta Bowl baby!!
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Post by ohiobuckeye on Dec 8, 2014 10:02:57 GMT -6
lkraft92; We'll take all the help we can get! I'm a fan, but not a fanatic if you get my drift. Heck I pull for Michigan all but one week out of the year and usually get to a game or two each year at the Big House. I live in Toledo which is right on the Ohio/Michigan border and the split around here is close to 50/50.
Can't really disagree with you Tigger on the BCS vs Committee conclusions, but the ORDER does matter. Assuming we were still under the BCS system, Florida State would be #1 (which is a joke), and the controversy of OSU/TCU/Baylor would be replaced by the controversy in deciding who's #2 between Alabama and Oregon and deserving to play FSU in the national championship game. That argument would be just as contentious and the leftout team and fans just as crushed. BTW; I hope you are right on the matchup with Alabama.
The obvious answer is to go to 8 teams, or at least 6 with #1 and #2 getting byes out of the first round, but I just don't kow how many games you can expect "college" kids to play and still retain the farce that they are student-athletes.
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Post by plato442 on Dec 8, 2014 23:54:49 GMT -6
What?
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Post by plato442 on Dec 9, 2014 0:08:14 GMT -6
and still retain the farce that they are student-athletes. Meaning what? Those 1.6% have declared for the draft on Jan 15th, graduated from their university, OR have committed to another year of eligibility? What farce are you talking about? Please, as a former student / athlete, enlighten me...
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Post by ohiobuckeye on Dec 9, 2014 10:37:41 GMT -6
Plato442; I certainly did not mean to offend you or anybody else who used athletics to gain higher education. I'm sure that when you include ALL sports, at ALL levels of the college spectrum, 98% of student-athletes are exactly that. But in FOOTBALL, at the elite level of the top 50 or so colleges, lets not pretend that their purpose is to excel in the classroom.
Specifically it was also in context with expanding the number of teams to make the playoffs, which by default would greatly increase the number of games teams would have to play, depending on how far the team advanced and how many teams were included. 2 teams this year are already going to play 14 games as it is.
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Post by sall on Dec 9, 2014 11:29:59 GMT -6
The non power 5 schools should play for their own championship. So no more controversy over weak undefeated non power 5 schools.
As for power five, increase the play off to six teams! True champion of each conference and an at large. heck Make it seven and have a play in game for the 6th spot. One and two get a bye. Then #3 plays #6 and #4 plays #5. Winner of #4/5 plays #1. Winner of #3/6 play #2. Winners plays for national title.
Maybe the 7th team could be a nonpower 5 champion. Still leaves a lot to be desired but that's my model.
BTW, WVU fan here. So not happy about BIG12 being left out. I think the best four teams are in but as you have heard I don't like the path they took to get there. TCU dropping from three to six was a farce. If that was the case then there should only be one power ranking at the final end of the season.
At any rate if going by the last poll that was out before the final rankings. My picks would have been...
1. Oregon 2. Alabama 3. TCU 4. Florida State
Big10 championship didn't mean a thing IMO to bump anyone out. Especially number three. Ohio State's loss to VT was abysmal. Baylor's loss to a mediocre WVU team killed it for my reputation of them. Then again WVU turned the ball over 5 times against TCU and only lost by 1. I was at that game and Boykin and TCU did NOT impress me. What am I saying here. I don't know?
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Post by plato442 on Dec 16, 2014 11:43:03 GMT -6
ohiobuckeye, it just sounded like a jab that's all. Yes, the majority of student athletes are students first, athletes second. Ya still have to have grades to be eligible to play (and yes I understand some athletes probably get preferential treatment). However, maybe the 2% don't necessarily excess in the classroom for 3-4 years, BUT they are using college as a stepping stone to get a higher paying job/career aren't they?
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Post by ohiobuckeye on Dec 16, 2014 15:44:51 GMT -6
Yeah, there are benefits to be had if one is motivated and disciplined enough to take advantage of the educational opportunities. No argument there. The other part of the "farce" is the economic aspect for which the real product is not accordingly compensated for the revenue generated. This is a whole 'nother hornets nest for which I don't pretend to have the solution, only the realization that the way things are reflect a much simpler time and place. (Again talking football and basketball at the far upper levels), and the BILLIONS generated go exclusively to the universities.
On a different note. It's to bad we don't live anywhere near each other. I'd love to take a ride in your car. I bet that thing screams.
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Post by ohiobuckeye on Jan 2, 2015 12:35:41 GMT -6
Interesting day in college football yesterday. Redemption day for the Big10. Eating crow day for the SEC. And the happiest people in the football world have to be the members of the selection committee with Ohio State validating their #4 spot. Still feel bad for TCU which should have been #3 as they were the week before winning by 50 and falling 3 spots? I told you FSU would lose by 30. I was only 9 points short. They folded when faced by their first real opponent of the year. I'm putting as much of my money on OSU v Oregon as I did on OSU v Bama which is nada. But thats why they play the game.
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Post by tigger on Jan 2, 2015 20:09:08 GMT -6
Haha, I told ya buckeye!
Next one might get ugly though.
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Post by ohiobuckeye on Jan 3, 2015 8:40:33 GMT -6
Haha, I told ya buckeye! Next one might get ugly though. Hey, don't jump off the wagon now. We need you and any other help we can muster! For the sake of a great storybook ending, come back over to the dark side. How can you not pull for a team that has managed to scrap their way to the top of the mountain with their third string quarterback? Forget whatever you feel about the Buckeyes, our obnoxious fanbase, the downtrodden Big10....etc. We are on the verge of one of those stories that would be too unbelievable to make a movie out of unless it were not happening. Not to get to carried away but really, imagine Oregon with the kid holding the clipboard and the coaches headset starting his second game against Florida State. Wanna bet the outcome is a little different? Cinderella just has to get home by midnight!
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Post by tigger on Jan 3, 2015 21:18:11 GMT -6
LOL, I'm not really on(or off) anyone's bandwagon. Just calling 'em like I see 'em, haha. Only saying the player on player match up with Oregon is not not as good as with 'Bama. Speed kills (Ahem, ...Clemson, ...cough, cough, ...VT).
Not that the Buckeyes don't stand a chance, I'll pull for them. I love the underdog!
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Post by ohiobuckeye on Jan 4, 2015 12:41:46 GMT -6
(Ahem, ...cough, cough, ...VT). OMFG. That VaTech game was a bitter pill and a parasite that almost killed its host. Fortunately things have played out such that excuse making is unneccesary at this point...but, for your consideration. I think it was just one of those rare "perfect storm" kind of things. The combination of a freshman back-up QB and 4 offensive linemen all making their 2nd start the week after playing and preparing for Navy and their unorthodox offensive and defensive formations. VT blitzed 80% of the time and once that snowball started rolling it just overwhelmed them. Thx. we'll take it!
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Post by ohiobuckeye on Jan 13, 2015 13:00:06 GMT -6
As the Greatful Dead once sang; "What a long strange trip it's been."
Considering the last 3 games and the circumstances in total, all I can hear is the call of Jack Buck as he witnessed a one-legged Kirk Gibson hit a walk-off homer in his only AB of the 1988 World Series. " I don't believe what I just saw! "
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