new key no start

[aprilbilladeau]

My 2001 oldsmobile aurora was recently stolen. We found the car but no keys. We had to have a locksmith come out and make a key for it. Well he calls us to say he made the key but the car will not start. So we go to where the car is and try to start it. It is just a humming or whining noise and will not even try to start. There is gas and full battery. Could this be a problem with the new key and security or is it the starter?

[genedjr]

Dec 18, 2014 9:51:07 GMT -6 aprilbilladeau said:

 just a humming or whining noise 

If this only happens when you try and crank it over, then its a starter issue.  If it happens when you first turn the key on without cranking it, that is normal fuel pump putting pressure in the fuel system.

Does the DIC have any error messages?  Is the CEL on?

...gene

[XJSman89]

Did he change out the whole ignition, or just make a new key? There's a chance he got the resistance of the key wrong (part of the passkey anti-theft system, the little black thing on the shank of the key) and if it has the wrong resistance it wont let your car crank at all. You should be able to find out the resistance of your key by giving the dealer your VIN. I did that with my car.

I know you have a 2nd Gen Aurora and I can only confirm the above for 95-99 Auroras... Can a 2g owner confirm this?

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[genedjr]

Dec 18, 2014 13:37:10 GMT -6 XJSman89 said:

Did he change out the whole ignition, or just make a new key? There's a chance he got the resistance of the key wrong (part of the passkey anti-theft system, the little black thing on the shank of the key) and if it has the wrong resistance it wont let your car crank at all. You should be able to find out the resistance of your key by giving the dealer your VIN. I did that with my car.

I know you have a 2nd Gen Aurora and I can only confirm the above for 95-99 Auroras... Can a 2g owner confirm this?

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My 2nd Gen does not have the resistor.
...gene

[XJSman89]

Dang, that scraps that idea. Sorry about that. The 2g must have some sort of anti-theft system, it's possible that is your problem. Or the people who swiped it may have removed the starter relay even, might be worth a look.

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[sall]

Any warning light son the dash at any point?

2G uses transponders keys. If it tries to crank then it is not a security issue. You could also try to jump the starter to see though.

Charge and load test the battery would be where I would start. Might hold a charge but can't deliver the amperage.


BTW, how was it stolen? I assume left running or keys at least in it.

[Marc]

Dec 18, 2014 15:11:34 GMT -6 sall said:

BTW, how was it stolen? I assume left running or keys at least in it.

That and towing it.Those are the only ways of stealing a 2G.

[aprilbilladeau]

When we tried to to crank it would not try to turn over or click or anything. It just made the whiny humming noise.. im not with tge car at this point so I dont know if there were any messages on the screen or not.. my boyfriend was going to ho buy a starter to replace, but I dont think thats the problem really because we havent been having problems, and it started as soon as the new key was made. The guy making it acted very aggrivated and like he didnt want to be doing it... we loaned the car to a friend for the day and he claims he dropped the keys and thays how it got stolen.

[Paulaurora]

well there is other ways as well to change 2 modules but it will take from 15 to 20 min to do that so no one will bother.

[aj]

Its a GM dealer only. No average lock smith can make a new key. The 2nd gens are very picky

[aprilbilladeau]

Aj

That was my understanding also, and this guy insisted. My boyfriend is very impatient and just wrnt along with it.

[XJSman89]

It sounds like he didn't make the key correctly. The chances of the starter going out the same time someone stole it are pretty slim.

I know it sucks since you just paid to have a key made, but I would tow the car to the dealer to get a new key made and get your money back from that locksmith.

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[sall]

Any [good] locksmith can cut and program a transponder key. Who knows what the thieves did to it though.

Need more info though about battery condition(charged and load tested) and what lights are on the dash during cranking attempts. Otherwise just shots in the dark IMO.

[genedjr]

Dec 19, 2014 8:09:09 GMT -6 sall said:

Any [good] locksmith can cut and program a transponder key. Who knows what the thieves did to it though.

Need more info though about battery condition(charged and load tested) and what lights are on the dash during cranking attempts. Otherwise just shots in the dark IMO.

I agree, if the locksmith claims to be able to make car keys he would know how to look up the code to get an appropriate blank.  But ... this may not have happened.

On a previous Neon a bad key would start the car but it would die out seconds later...  I am unsure how the 2nd gen cars would react to a bad transponder code.
...gene

[Paulaurora]

key has to be programed to the car that might need original key.. or need to use tech2 scanner if u don't have original key. when i was making copy for my moms aurora dealer used tech 2 to program the key.

[sempar]

The key has a transponder chip that has to be programmed to match the code(s) stored in the VTD module. The PK3 key and the VTD module must be programmed with the Tech 2 that Paul mentioned, most locksmiths don't have them ( at least in my neck of the woods).

John

[aprilbilladeau]

Thank you all for the advice, and input. We are agoing tomorrow to look at it, and test out a few things. Will look for anti theft mesaage and check battery. Hopefully its something easy and we didnt waist our money on the key.