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Post by Letitroll98 on Jul 4, 2005 9:21:39 GMT -6
i have no clue who anyone is talking to in here? He he, you're right BA, there is about three or four conversations going on here. All relate to street racing in some form though. Bucsfan, we agree on something! Cops will "discount" a ticket to "sell" it to the speeder all the time. It's a way to avoid an argument, something they really do hate. You can tell if the officer is really p'd at you cause he'll just throw the violation in your face to try for a confrontation, one he gets to win. If you're trying to avoid the ticket, quickly acknowledge what you did wrong, then offer something the cop can hang his hat on for just a warning. Be reasonable, to the point, and don't argue. For example, "Yes sir, I pushed the light back there, but I was watching that guy in the right lane that looked like he was cutting over and noticed the light too late to stop, it was my fault". There was nobody in the right lane cutting over, he doesn't know that. He replied he stopped me because I sped up into the intersection, I replied, "Yes sir, I understand". Now I was dead wrong and was speeding trying to beat the light, but got the warning because of the presentation to the cop. Once he gives you a ticket, that chapter is over, you now gather as much information as possible for the court hearing, time of day, officer badge number, car ID number, address of the violation and where you were stopped, weather, road and traffic conditions, etc. Always go to court. When at court, you will be able to cloud the issue of your guilt enough to get the ticket dismissed or at least lowered to a no points violation. Most judges (or the arbitrator you meet with before the hearing) will give you the benefit of the doubt if you come prepared, that's with all the relevant state statutes in hand as well, copy them from the internet.
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Post by yuhatn on Jul 4, 2005 11:45:39 GMT -6
Are you kidding? "OK you were going such and such a speed but I'm going to give you a break and blah blah blah." That is the most famous line from a cop besides "I'll take a donut." I don't know anyone that has gotten a speeding ticket and not had the cop give them that line of BS. Your not the only one that "supposedly" gets there ticket knocked down, everyone does. never once did i say i was the only one, but as has been said, if you dont piss the cop off purposely and you try to be reasonable with him, it seems they will be reasonable to you. that was my whole point.
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Post by stevensolds on Jul 4, 2005 14:29:51 GMT -6
First off, never admit that you were speeding. The cop will write that on the ticket and that will be used against you in court.
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Post by bLACk AurOrA on Jul 4, 2005 15:45:31 GMT -6
First off, never admit that you were speeding. The cop will write that on the ticket and that will be used against you in court. yeah your best bet is to be polite and quite.
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Post by JimW on Jul 4, 2005 15:48:19 GMT -6
I think the only speeding ticket I got out of was my last one, Angie and I were all dressed up, late for of all things...a baptism. It was a Sunday morning, and he let us go. I guess thats a good combo...dress well, have a girl in the car, and say yer goin to church
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Post by BuccaneersFan on Jul 5, 2005 16:50:19 GMT -6
Bucsfan, we agree on something! Cops will "discount" a ticket to "sell" it to the speeder all the time. It's a way to avoid an argument, something they really do hate. You can tell if the officer is really p'd at you cause he'll just throw the violation in your face to try for a confrontation, one he gets to win. If you're trying to avoid the ticket, quickly acknowledge what you did wrong, then offer something the cop can hang his hat on for just a warning. Be reasonable, to the point, and don't argue. For example, "Yes sir, I pushed the light back there, but I was watching that guy in the right lane that looked like he was cutting over and noticed the light too late to stop, it was my fault". There was nobody in the right lane cutting over, he doesn't know that. He replied he stopped me because I sped up into the intersection, I replied, "Yes sir, I understand". Now I was dead wrong and was speeding trying to beat the light, but got the warning because of the presentation to the cop. I know someone that got pulled over for speeding in a residential area, I think he was going 35 in a 25 zone. He told the cop that he couldn't find his proof of registration and the cop gave him a ticket for like $15 bucks instead of $62 which would of been the minimum speeding fine. Once he gives you a ticket, that chapter is over, you now gather as much information as possible for the court hearing, time of day, officer badge number, car ID number, address of the violation and where you were stopped, weather, road and traffic conditions, etc. Always go to court. When at court, you will be able to cloud the issue of your guilt enough to get the ticket dismissed or at least lowered to a no points violation. Most judges (or the arbitrator you meet with before the hearing) will give you the benefit of the doubt if you come prepared, that's with all the relevant state statutes in hand as well, copy them from the internet. I have done exactly what you described myself and it worked great. Long story short I got issued two very similar tickets for the same offense and when I went to court the judge looked at the cop and said, "I don't know why you gave him two tickets for this, it doesn't even make any sense to me." I almost started laughing right there in court. Anyway the judge, well actually he wasn't even a real judge he was a "hearing officer," threw one ticket out and I was able to bargain down the other ticket to just a fine and no points on my license. I look back on that situation and I really wish I had appealed that decision and gone on to see a real judge and jury, or at least hired a lawyer in the first place. I really think I shouldn't have gotten any ticket at all. The hearing officer wouldn't even look at the evidence I had, but to appeal the case it would've cost me $135 so I decided against it. When I was in court I saw a case where the guy had a lawyer representing him and the judge acts completely different when dealing with a lawyer then with the common man. But you learn from your mistakes and next time I will definitely hire a lawyer.
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Post by Letitroll98 on Jul 5, 2005 17:39:44 GMT -6
Yes, if you really need to get out of it, hire a lawyer. Second best is a well prepared civilian. You always get the "hearing officer" or "arbitrator" (depending on what your state calls 'em) and they don't care about right or wrong, their job is to move the docket along quickly. So just like the cop, they will discount the charge to avoid the hearing. Which attorney is important. One with the proper connections is worth every penny, trust me. Get another attorney to recommend one who practices in front of that magistrate regularly, or like I did, the one who is in his regular foursome at the country club.
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Post by BuccaneersFan on Jul 7, 2005 18:18:48 GMT -6
I think it's funny that people will b*tch and complain when they get a ticket for going 10 over but who's fault is it? It's your own fault you're speeding. You're getting mad at a police officer to doing his job and giving you a ticket when you're clearly in the wrong? Why don't you stop blaming everyone else for your mistakes and be a man and deal with it. You do something wrong, you pay the consequences. Just why do you think that police are never busting people selling drugs, murdering, etc? Just because you don't see it first hand it doesn't mean they're not doing it. You may think you're not endangering anyone by speeding all the time but you must realize that even at 55 MPH if you were in an accident there's a good chance you'd be killed even in your Aurora. For every 10 MPH you're gonig over that, you increase that chance that much more. Is it really worth it to save just a minute or two? I think not.. I think its ridiculous that cops spend so much time giving tickets out for speeding when speeding is not the cause of most accidents. I agree with you 100% in the fact that the faster you go the greater the chance of sustaining a serious injury or dying will be. But personally I do not think speeding is causing a lot of accidents, rather drunk driving, driving while talking on a cell phones and eating while driving are causing most of the accidents. When you get down to it the revenue created from speeding tickets is quite high and that is the real reason for issuing so many speeding tickets. It's not to save lives, its to raise money. Most of the time a ticket will not deter someone from speeding anyway, it will just make them slow down when they get near the place where they were issued the ticket. Just look at Black Aurora for example, he has gotten like 5 tickets and he is only what 17 and now he is buying a radar so he can continue to speed. And you were right when you said that just because you don't see cops busting people for drugs and murder doesn't mean that its not happening, but when you see drug deals going down on a regular basis like Steven mentioned, that is first hand evidence that cops are not busting people for drugs. If they were then it wouldn't be happening in the same area so frequently.
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Post by stevensolds on Jul 7, 2005 18:54:46 GMT -6
Dude its all the time man...all the time. They even do it publicly. You drive by and its like "how much we talkin' yo" then when at the stop sign it may be a "20 a pop brotha" or something like that then if your real lucky you will see them shake hands. lol.
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Post by scottydl on Jul 7, 2005 19:06:23 GMT -6
But personally I do not think speeding is causing a lot of accidents, rather drunk driving, driving while talking on a cell phones and eating while driving are causing most of the accidents. Your probably right about that. DUI is heavily enforced in most areas, but there aren't any laws (in most places) against cell phone use or eating while driving. I think it's a matter of time before talking on the cell phone while driving will be illegal... many cities have ordinances against it now (Chicago for instance). When you get down to it the revenue created from speeding tickets is quite high and that is the real reason for issuing so many speeding tickets. It's not to save lives, its to raise money. I think it's both. What's the purpose of courts charging a fine for ANY crime (not just traffic)? It's to raise revenue for the court system, including enforcement. Otherwise the only punishment left would be to suspend licenses and send people to jail. If I did wrong, I would rather pay a fine and be done with it. I agree with Dan that it is getting ridiculous that nobody takes responsibility for their actions anymore, and is always looking for an easy way out. Most of the time a ticket will not deter someone from speeding anyway, it will just make them slow down when they get near the place where they were issued the ticket. I disagree. The series of tickets I got between the ages of 17-20 definitely made me smarten up and slow down... it took awhile, but the enforcement worked eventually. When I got caught drag racing with a buddy, we both had to hire lawyers to keep our licenses (overall bill ended up exceeding $700 + 20 hours of community service). I learned my lesson. when you see drug deals going down on a regular basis like Steven mentioned, that is first hand evidence that cops are not busting people for drugs. You sound like police should be everywhere, all the time, preventing everything. It's just not possible. The illegal drug trade is a social problem, and as long as money is being made then there will be low-lifes to continue on. Plus as overcrowded as most jails are, a dealer can get busted for drugs and be bailed out and back on the street before the officer is done with his report. It's sad but true. From the little I know about drug enforcement, law enforcement is often forced to let the "small fish" go on dealing as they go after the bigger dealers and suppliers. Massive drug seizures are what make the news nowadays, not dime bags and joints. And uh, street races are dangerous (back on topic). ;D
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Post by stevensolds on Jul 7, 2005 20:41:49 GMT -6
Uh, street racing is FUN....
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Post by erw38 on Jul 7, 2005 21:13:22 GMT -6
Uh, street racing is FUN.... and ILLEGAL.....
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Post by stevensolds on Jul 7, 2005 21:26:59 GMT -6
Oh you gotta live a little...******* bud. I'm gonna live life to the max dude. Just wait til i go to college hehe. Can you say party?
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