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Post by Custom88 on Jun 27, 2005 10:38:15 GMT -6
alright, I borrowed the digital camera I'm going to "buy" (or so he thinks.. I don't like it.. lol). This was just a short 15 second video since that's all this camera can record as I unfortunately found out. atleast you can see the V6 and accelerate and you can hear it. lol www.putfile.com/media.php?n=shortstarv663
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Post by Custom88 on Jun 27, 2005 10:45:58 GMT -6
also I should add the temperature outside was 93* as indicated by the Aurora's climate control. The outside humidity was 38% and I was running 89 octane fuel.
EDIT: I didn't actually floor it until around 29 MPH. You can probably tell that, but I'm just making sure. :lol:
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Post by stevensolds on Jun 27, 2005 10:47:15 GMT -6
Hmm....doesnt sound too bad in the high RPM's, but I prefer something deeper hehe. Why didnt you floor it from a dead stop though? That is what i would like to see, or else I dont know how good it accelerates.
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Post by Custom88 on Jun 27, 2005 10:52:15 GMT -6
ah, I don't think you'll see much either way with only 15 seconds of video. lol. also remember that this is totally stock too with only a K&N filter. It'd probably sound pretty nice with some mufflers on it. Still not horrible for stock.
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Post by Aurora40 on Jun 27, 2005 11:02:21 GMT -6
Hey Dan, I'd love to hear you go from a roll too. Just one sweep of the needle through 1st gear. Your car sounds nice. I'll tell you, from the video it sounds exactly like my car did when it was stock, including the 6,200 rpm shift.
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Post by Custom88 on Jun 27, 2005 11:51:11 GMT -6
Good lord torque steer is HORRIBLE on these cars! I wanted to beable and keep the camera straight as I was recording but as you can see directly during and after the burnout it pulled hard to one side so I had to quickly correct it. lol. Sorry for such a bouncy camera. It's hard to keep it steady with one hand while you're trying to battle torque steering with the other hand. I think there is probably a good 30 foot or so black mark from that stop until the tires stopped spinning at around 20-25 MPH. it was a pretty decent run. The road I did it on was on a road will settled pea gravel (excellent traction until you gun it and it'll tear the road up.) I wasn't expecting the tires to break loose like they did. Throughout the whole run you can still hear tiny stones flying from the tires which were stuck on them from the road being torn up. lol. www.putfile.com/media.php?n=auroraburnout
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Post by Custom88 on Jun 27, 2005 12:04:45 GMT -6
and one last video.. www.putfile.com/media.php?n=aurorav6110Nothing special, just recorded varying ammounts of throttle during acceleration. lol. I only floored it once, and that was at the very end. when it's moderate acceleration from 2,000 to around 4,500 RPM, that's half throttle.
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Post by bLACk AurOrA on Jun 27, 2005 12:52:54 GMT -6
i wish i could watch it.
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Post by stevensolds on Jun 27, 2005 13:12:52 GMT -6
It seems pretty torquey from the 1-2 shift but it seems to die off after 60 if im not mistakin
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Post by Custom88 on Jun 27, 2005 14:05:58 GMT -6
it was still pulling hard all the up to 100. The stupid camera stopped at 80 MPH though on the video with the burnout. I let off once I reached 100. (right after the 2-3 shift)
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Post by Marc on Jun 27, 2005 14:21:41 GMT -6
Custom88........In the first video, it looked like you got on it at about 25 mph, and the video ended at 60 mph. I timed that run a few times, and the 25 - 60 time was 5.8 secs.
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Post by kobalt on Jun 27, 2005 14:22:38 GMT -6
Great vid! Good lord torque steer is HORRIBLE on these cars! Very interesting, my 2nd gen had (at best) negligable torque steer. My Aurora did not have traction control, must have been my higher milage? Also, who would imagine torque steer from a car that takes ~9 seconds 0-60, yet barely any torque steer from a 4.6 caddy. Does that make any sense? Great vid once again!
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Post by Custom88 on Jun 27, 2005 14:31:54 GMT -6
I think it's the way the transmission is setup maybe. It's odd definately. My supercharged Riviera had less torque steer than my aurora does. It always pulls hard to the left under hard acceleration. *shrugs. My only idea is that the drive axles are different lengths causing the uneven pull.
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Post by kobalt on Jun 27, 2005 14:34:26 GMT -6
I think it's the way the transmission is setup maybe. It's odd definately. My supercharged Riviera had less torque steer than my aurora does. It always pulls hard to the left under hard acceleration. *shrugs. My only idea is that the drive axles are different lengths causing the uneven pull. I was thinking along the same lines. Does your Aurora have traction control?
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Post by Custom88 on Jun 27, 2005 14:42:40 GMT -6
yup, traction, stability, etc.
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Post by Aurora40 on Jun 27, 2005 14:48:59 GMT -6
I suspect the 4T80-E is better suited for taming torque-steer. But I suspect in this case the surface had a lot to do with it. You said you were on gravel, so one wheel was probably spinning, which will pull the car around a bit. Try it on the road and I doubt it will torque-steer as badly.
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Post by bLACk AurOrA on Jun 27, 2005 14:55:10 GMT -6
i got it to work finally... man that seems very fast. sounds nice too
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Post by kobalt on Jun 27, 2005 15:16:24 GMT -6
...But I suspect in this case the surface had a lot to do with it. You said you were on gravel... Gravel = key word that I missed - that would give you plenty of torque steer, at least with TC off. I suppose I should read more carefully
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Post by Custom88 on Jun 27, 2005 22:26:39 GMT -6
Try it on the road and I doubt it will torque-steer as badly. this was on a road (as in pavement). I knew my description would make it sound like it was on a dirt road or something, it wasn't. around here when roads get torn up from farm equipment, etc they take a thick sticky black tar, put it on the road, then take tiny gravel (pea gravel is what they call it) and pour it onto the tar then they pack it down to make a surface resistant to weight, etc. It isn't a loose material but if you put enough force on it some of the smaller stones might come loose. Also, if you burn out on these roads they do not squeal, they make a loud rubbing noise. I'll have to get pictures of this road, but it's a pavement road, not dirt or anything like that. That was a genuine burn-out on a dry road and it wasn't in dirt or anything. I take it most of you havent' read reviews of the V6 Aurora VS the V8. Just about every review deducted points from the V6 model because under heavy acceleration the front end would become 'weightless' feeling and pull to either side (torque steer.) The V8 model didn't have the torque steer issues apparently. It's not an issue of how much power all the time, it's the transmission setup. believe me, I don't want to brag about torque steer.. it drives me nuts more than anything how directionaless the front end feels under heavy acceleration.
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Post by stevensolds on Jun 28, 2005 8:08:59 GMT -6
One wheel burnout too...hehe.
They shouldve put the 4T80-E in that thing and just made all auroras with an 8 cylinder engine.
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Post by Aurora40 on Jun 28, 2005 8:20:53 GMT -6
I take it most of you havent' read reviews of the V6 Aurora VS the V8. Just about every review deducted points from the V6 model because under heavy acceleration the front end would become 'weightless' feeling and pull to either side (torque steer.) The V8 model didn't have the torque steer issues apparently. It's not an issue of how much power all the time, it's the transmission setup. believe me, I don't want to brag about torque steer.. it drives me nuts more than anything how directionaless the front end feels under heavy acceleration. Well, like you said, then, it's probably the difference between the 4T65-E and the 4T80-E. The 4.0L makes more torque across the board, and also has lower gearing multiplying the torque. The tires are slightly wider, but I'd bet the tranny is the big differing factor there. Steven, I thought you said you weren't going to make those kinds of comments anymore...
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Post by stevensolds on Jun 28, 2005 8:33:09 GMT -6
I didnt bash it.....lol. I couldve said they shouldve made all 6 cylinders more torquey and gave them the 4T65-HD. I actually didnt even think it was fast as it was in those vids before.
Dan...you gonna slap any mufflers on that?
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Post by Aurora40 on Jun 28, 2005 9:12:48 GMT -6
I think the 4T65-HD is pretty much the same just with beefier internals. It would probably drive about the same, though. As promised:
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Post by Custom88 on Jun 28, 2005 9:22:43 GMT -6
I don't know if I"ll mess with mufflers or not. It'd probably sound pretty good but I don't know if I want to spend the nearly $400 for that for parts and labor. (borla mufflers like I'd want are over $100 each.) the V8 does put out quite a bit more power I'm sure. I drove a 2nd gen 4.0 and the top end was the biggest difference. around town they felt pretty similar. I can give up a bit of performance for the extra gas mileage.. whole purpose of the videos was to show the 3.5 isn't a total slouch like some made it out to be. lol. it can hold its own when it has to. Granted, it's still a high 8 second car to 60 but if you look at man other cars that are on the streets high 8 seconds isn't that bad. Sure, the mid 7's like the 2nd gen 4.0 would be nice, but I can live without. I just tell myself that I"m lucky enough to have a car this nice at 19 and so what if it's not the top of the line model, I gotta have something to upgrade to when I get older, right? Bob, just for a little clarification, I didn't mean that the V8 didn't have torque steer because it didn't have as much torque, I meant that it didn't suffer from torque steer because of the better setup the 80E offers. I'm sure if the V8 had the 65E it'd be all over the road even worse. lol. Still, the 65E is not a BAD transmission at all. Its reliability is pretty similar to the 80E.
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Post by stevensolds on Jun 28, 2005 9:35:17 GMT -6
I know what you mean Dan about 8 seconds isnt that bad considering some of the other cars on the road. But when all of your neigbors' kids have T/As, Camaros and Mustang Cobras, you wonder why i am always looking for a cheap 5hp.
Holy crap, if the 8 had the 65E I wouldve blown the stock transmission already and probably workin well on my 3rd one by now. Why didnt they make an 80-HD is what i want to know.
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Post by Aurora40 on Jun 28, 2005 10:20:40 GMT -6
Bob, just for a little clarification, I didn't mean that the V8 didn't have torque steer because it didn't have as much torque, I meant that it didn't suffer from torque steer because of the better setup the 80E offers LOL! I know. That's why I said "like you said"... We're on the same page. I put up the graph because I think I'd said previously I would? It might have been in a different thread, though... Dan, I can understand if you haven't as I wouldn't do it either, but have you thought about a small shot of nitrous? Something like a 50 shot or less, maybe progressive. Then you could have a bit more punch if you wanted it, but it wouldn't affect your fuel economy at all. Just a thought... An exhaust system might help your fuel economy a tad, though, but probably not enough to pay for itself. Why not take a weekend jaunt down to Cleveland, catch an Indians game, see the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame, and swing by Corsa to get an STS system fitted up?
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Post by stevensolds on Jun 28, 2005 10:27:51 GMT -6
Corsa is a bit expensive for a 6-cylinder dont ya think bro???
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Post by Custom88 on Jun 28, 2005 10:29:16 GMT -6
I'm seeing if Intense racing would be interested in doing a PCM program. I'd have to send the PCM in for the programming but it'd be worth it. Intense is the company behind many/most of the L67 aftermarket parts.. mostly Bonneville parts. I'd rather not go the nitrous route. I'd rather have the power there all the time rather than only when I punch a button. . How much did that Corsa exhaust cost you if you don't mind? I like the stock tips fine, so I'd only really change the mufflers probably. Was the stock exhaust really that restrictive?
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Post by Aurora40 on Jun 28, 2005 10:31:46 GMT -6
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Post by stevensolds on Jun 28, 2005 10:33:57 GMT -6
Still sounds pretty lame next to the Corsa though..hehe.
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