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Post by intheb0x on Jun 19, 2010 18:04:40 GMT -6
wanted to see what i been missing according to a few..
anyways lets start with the big boy, there flagship at the time the ls430,
car was nice, loaded option gallore, my fav was the swinging air vents lol, everyone swung.. pretty cool.
car started rough, was blowing blue smoke and has some engine chatter for its initial operation, that wasnt too good..
anyways he gave it to us to drive, thing was QUIET, i mean super quiet.. heated and cooled seats are a big miss in LEXUS, they HARDLY blow, compared to a lincoln or GM cooled seat that u can feel right away, i never felt this seat really the whole time.
power and ride, power was great, this thing had some balls.. felt like 2 auroras lol, it was a strong linear power too, all across the board, the motor you could hardly hear when u stepped on it.. its was incredible in the sound regard.. the ride was nice, felt like you were floating at slow speeds.. but i still have not found a car today that has a ride thats top of the line to the aurora, the aurora rides really nice and out of all the new cars ive been in, i havent had one really blow me away on the ride quality.. but it was smooth, but not as smooth as i thought it would be.
all in all it was a nice ride, nothing blew me away that would make me buy it, but it was a nice car and felt solid for having 100k miles on it, more solid then the aurora did, but the aurora doesnt blow blue smoke lol.
06 gs300, i like the look of these alot, the interior is great too, car felt solid and was AWD. it was wet out, ive never been in a AWD before when it was wet out. it felt amazing to floor it off the line and not get any tire spin, i mean just to bounce away from the dead stop like i was glued to the rode. amazing.
as for ride, it hit bumps hard, and nothing screamed smooth ride at all in it. the aurora rides better then the GS in all regards. the sales man says the GS is meant to be "sporty" with a more firm suspension. The engine how ever was its power point. under the hood was a 3.0 v6 that had alot of balls, perhaps more power then the aurora. i know Direct Injection is standard on them, so maybe thats why, lexus sure knows how to get power out of these small motors. i was impressed in this regard.
fit and feel of the GS felt nice, no creeks or rattles, dash seems to be the similar plastic mat like in all new cars produced from any auto maker, if i was buying a new car id consider lexus on my list.
i think i have come to the conclusion that cars will never be made like they once were, i think the early to mid 2000s were the years of solid cars that were built to last, each new car i get into is nice, but i cringe to think of what they are like with some type of mileage,(the navigator i drove comes to mind), i also have been feigning to find a CAR that rides better then the aurora, its HARD to find one, perhaps a caddy will side better but nothing is FAR from the aurora in terms of the ride.. is this as good as it gets??
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Post by unirok on Jun 20, 2010 18:20:37 GMT -6
Well the Aurora is not in either cars class imho. Aurora competes with cars like the maxima and possible avalon. Though it had a 4.0 v8 it was put in there mainly to compete with the smoother and more powerful import v6s. By the time the 2gen came out GM finally had a more current V6 but by that time the competition had already upped the game.
Yes Aurora didint blow blue smoke but not hearing about many of the LS430s having head gasket problems either lol.
The Aurora Classic was a great beginning but i just wish GM didnt drop the ball with the 2nd gen. @nd gen is a nice car but didint have the I must own one appeal the classic had.
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Post by ntrenn on Jun 20, 2010 19:27:30 GMT -6
Had a friend with a hand-me-down LS. Was a pretty nice car, even when I rode in it with 300,000 on the clock. Just spoke to him this week - he traded it earlier this year on a Camry of all things. The Lexus was going to cost $6000 to patch up to snuff. He'd already spent over $3000 on it in the couple of years he had it, so even if they are nice, when they break, they are a notch above our Auroras on the repair scale.
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Post by intheb0x on Jun 20, 2010 22:39:07 GMT -6
Well the Aurora is not in either cars class imho. Aurora competes with cars like the maxima and possible avalon. Though it had a 4.0 v8 it was put in there mainly to compete with the smoother and more powerful import v6s. By the time the 2gen came out GM finally had a more current V6 but by that time the competition had already upped the game. Yes Aurora didint blow blue smoke but not hearing about many of the LS430s having head gasket problems either lol. The Aurora Classic was a great beginning but i just wish GM didnt drop the ball with the 2nd gen. @nd gen is a nice car but didint have the I must own one appeal the classic had. then what is in the LS class and the GS class? because the ride is better in the rora then the GS and the LS has a slightly better ride over bumps... thats my question, these cars may be more expensive and more modern but they arent so superior where they blow my socks off and make me want to buy them, see what im saying?
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Post by unirok on Jun 21, 2010 9:26:33 GMT -6
Well the Aurora is not in either cars class imho. Aurora competes with cars like the maxima and possible avalon. Though it had a 4.0 v8 it was put in there mainly to compete with the smoother and more powerful import v6s. By the time the 2gen came out GM finally had a more current V6 but by that time the competition had already upped the game. Yes Aurora didint blow blue smoke but not hearing about many of the LS430s having head gasket problems either lol. The Aurora Classic was a great beginning but i just wish GM didnt drop the ball with the 2nd gen. @nd gen is a nice car but didint have the I must own one appeal the classic had. then what is in the LS class and the GS class? because the ride is better in the rora then the GS and the LS has a slightly better ride over bumps... thats my question, these cars may be more expensive and more modern but they arent so superior where they blow my socks off and make me want to buy them, see what im saying? I agree they are both pretty boring luxusry sedans but they bother have alevel of refinement the aurora cant match. Like i said the Aurora was a maxima and camry fighter never meant to go head to head with the LS series cars. So the Aurora rides better to you? My police interceptor rides better to me but is it a better car...heck no
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Post by aj on Jun 21, 2010 21:30:15 GMT -6
The Aurora was not a Maxima, Camry fighter, that was the Intrigues job. They were more in with the Lincoln LS, Lexus ES350, Chrysler 300 C, Acura 3.2 TL and so on.
Yeah cars are not being built like they once were. The Aurora is a very safe riding car, nice layout/features, lots of standard features, hardly any new cars had as many standard options like the Aurora had, and just a nice luxury car that has been really reliable to me. Yeah the Aurora needs some quirks worked out and needed some improvements but like what car doesent need it? My Auroras has a nice ride and feel to it and drives just like my moms 2004 Cadillac SLS. But everyone has to remember Olds was given the axe when they redesigned the 2nd gen and given hardly any budget 2 mess with.
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Post by unirok on Jun 21, 2010 22:24:22 GMT -6
The Aurora was not a Maxima, Camry fighter, that was the Intrigues job. They were more in with the Lincoln LS, Lexus ES350, Chrysler 300 C, Acura 3.2 TL and so on. Yeah cars are not being built like they once were. The Aurora is a very safe riding car, nice layout/features, lots of standard features, hardly any new cars had as many standard options like the Aurora had, and just a nice luxury car that has been really reliable to me. Yeah the Aurora needs some quirks worked out and needed some improvements but like what car doesent need it? My Auroras has a nice ride and feel to it and drives just like my moms 2004 Cadillac SLS. But everyone has to remember Olds was given the axe when they redesigned the 2nd gen and given hardly any budget 2 mess with. Whatever you want to believe...Aurora competes with LS430 heck it might as well compete with the MB S class.. Whats a 2004 SLS...you mean Seville. I have driven plenty of cars with more options that the Aurora had. Curtain Air bags? 5 or 6 speed auto? HUD? etc etc...did the Aurora have these features? I drove older cars with them? All features Aurora had camry and maxima offered. 300C lol was that even out when the Aurora was around....use google son lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2010 0:26:25 GMT -6
Maybe the second Gen competed with the maximas and avalons. But first gens? No way. I have a 95 maxima currently. Even with every option this car is nowhere near aurora. Leather seats are hard and un supportive, road manners are superior to aurora, but not ride quaity. Engine quality is far superior in my opinion with the maxima. Build quality is a big hell no. Especially body wise. My maxima (Before the muffler fell off) was quieter than the aurora in all ways. And the 3.0 in my car is plenty adequate and seems to pull harder past 90 then I remember the aurora doing. My maximas motor has 175k+ on it. And while it is in desperate need of a tune up, it still manages to run quite well. The aurora is nicer no doubt then any maxima 95-99.
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Post by unirok on Jun 23, 2010 21:58:26 GMT -6
Maybe the second Gen competed with the maximas and avalons. But first gens? No way. I have a 95 maxima currently. Even with every option this car is nowhere near aurora. Leather seats are hard and un supportive, road manners are superior to aurora, but not ride quaity. Engine quality is far superior in my opinion with the maxima. Build quality is a big heck no. Especially body wise. My maxima (Before the muffler fell off) was quieter than the aurora in all ways. And the 3.0 in my car is plenty adequate and seems to pull harder past 90 then I remember the aurora doing. My maximas motor has 175k+ on it. And while it is in desperate need of a tune up, it still manages to run quite well. The aurora is nicer no doubt then any maxima 95-99. I pretty much agree with you. Drove a 97 maxima (repo lol) few weeks ago and that car still got it! It was a SE with leather and Bose and was not that bad. 3.0 v6 really peppy in that car and i think it would take a 4.0 Aurora no questions.
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Post by intheb0x on Jun 23, 2010 23:14:57 GMT -6
Im talking 2nd gen here..
the ls430 was nice, but it wasnt jaw dropping. it was a better car then the aurora, but not by such a long shot, maybe brand new it was a long shot better, but used like the aurora its not that much better.
maybe its my opinion, but i think its a valid one, the 03 STS i drove was better then the aurora, reminded me of the ls430 in many ways of quietness of the motor, and ride..
i currently got a 07 es350 for the weekend and it blew my mind, its better then the last gen ls 430 and current gs330 in my eyes by a long shot.. car is incredible. ill be writing a new review in a little bit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2010 8:21:32 GMT -6
Maybe the second Gen competed with the maximas and avalons. But first gens? No way. I have a 95 maxima currently. Even with every option this car is nowhere near aurora. Leather seats are hard and un supportive, road manners are superior to aurora, but not ride quaity. Engine quality is far superior in my opinion with the maxima. Build quality is a big heck no. Especially body wise. My maxima (Before the muffler fell off) was quieter than the aurora in all ways. And the 3.0 in my car is plenty adequate and seems to pull harder past 90 then I remember the aurora doing. My maximas motor has 175k+ on it. And while it is in desperate need of a tune up, it still manages to run quite well. The aurora is nicer no doubt then any maxima 95-99. I pretty much agree with you. Drove a 97 maxima (repo lol) few weeks ago and that car still got it! It was a SE with leather and Bose and was not that bad. 3.0 v6 really peppy in that car and i think it would take a 4.0 Aurora no questions. The Bose stereo in my 95 is awesome. It hits harder than the Bose in my aurora did. And I think a properly running maxima could take an aurora, my maxima on the other hand was owned by a careless college student and needs a thorough seafoam along with plugs and wires. Even in this state it is still an excellent highway cruiser, punching the throttle at 70 will deliver excellent passing power. I still miss the aurora.
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Post by aj on Jun 24, 2010 23:26:56 GMT -6
Im talking 2nd gen here.. the ls430 was nice, but it wasnt jaw dropping. it was a better car then the aurora, but not by such a long shot, maybe brand new it was a long shot better, but used like the aurora its not that much better. maybe its my opinion, but i think its a valid one, the 03 STS i drove was better then the aurora, reminded me of the ls430 in many ways of quietness of the motor, and ride.. i currently got a 07 es350 for the weekend and it blew my mind, its better then the last gen ls 430 and current gs330 in my eyes by a long shot.. car is incredible. ill be writing a new review in a little bit. Does the one ur test driving now does it have where all the windows roll down and the panaromic sunroof opens all the way with the key fob? I thought that was a neat feature that is the only thing the 2010 Buick Lacrosse is missing and the Buick is way cheaper than the Lexus es350 and both cars drive the same and basically the same car. So test drive a Buick 2010 LAcrosse if you can?
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Post by intheb0x on Jun 25, 2010 0:13:06 GMT -6
If it did have that feature it wasnt set up, it was fully loaded, had 2 sunroofs, nav, bluetooth, sunshade. it was awesome.. the power was incredible.
next on my list is the new lacrosse....
did you drive the e350?? i mean it has to be how its geared or something it is incredibly quick...
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Post by unirok on Jun 26, 2010 6:52:42 GMT -6
Im talking 2nd gen here.. the ls430 was nice, but it wasnt jaw dropping. it was a better car then the aurora, but not by such a long shot, maybe brand new it was a long shot better, but used like the aurora its not that much better. maybe its my opinion, but i think its a valid one, the 03 STS i drove was better then the aurora, reminded me of the ls430 in many ways of quietness of the motor, and ride.. i currently got a 07 es350 for the weekend and it blew my mind, its better then the last gen ls 430 and current gs330 in my eyes by a long shot.. car is incredible. ill be writing a new review in a little bit. Does the one ur test driving now does it have where all the windows roll down and the panaromic sunroof opens all the way with the key fob? I thought that was a neat feature that is the only thing the 2010 Buick Lacrosse is missing ? Sheesh even my old 2001 Audi Allroad does that?
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Post by unirok on Jun 26, 2010 6:56:09 GMT -6
I pretty much agree with you. Drove a 97 maxima (repo lol) few weeks ago and that car still got it! It was a SE with leather and Bose and was not that bad. 3.0 v6 really peppy in that car and i think it would take a 4.0 Aurora no questions. The Bose stereo in my 95 is awesome. It hits harder than the Bose in my aurora did. And I think a properly running maxima could take an aurora, my maxima on the other hand was owned by a careless college student and needs a thorough seafoam along with plugs and wires. Even in this state it is still an excellent highway cruiser, punching the throttle at 70 will deliver excellent passing power. I still miss the aurora. Yep the Bose in tyhe maxima is pretty decent considering the age of the active speakers. Bose in the Classic was a pure joke. The 1998 Bose 4.0 in the STS is probably the best sounding Bose setup in a GM car even beating the Bose Studio in my previous STS-V. Bose in my Allroad hits really had too so I guess it just depends on the car and effort.
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Post by intheb0x on Jun 26, 2010 12:47:17 GMT -6
The ES350 has the Mark Levinson system with the subwoofer in the back..
i thought it sounded good, one thing i did not like, the bass was wierd, the subwoofer had that wierd bass noise like it couldnt handle any of it, so much so i had to turn the bass wayy down..
kinda sucked.
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Post by unirok on Jun 27, 2010 19:02:03 GMT -6
The ES350 has the Mark Levinson system with the subwoofer in the back.. i thought it sounded good, one thing i did not like, the bass was wierd, the subwoofer had that wierd bass noise like it couldnt handle any of it, so much so i had to turn the bass wayy down.. kinda sucked. Some of the new OEM audio sytems are crazy...had a 300c srt-8 at the auction and it had a huge Kicker 12inch sub in the trunk factory and saw a mustang with 2 of them think its was called the mach 1000 or something. Bose has been tossed in so many cars i guess people are wanting better. testdrove a hyundai with some sytem from lexicon or something like that. Sounded great
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Post by intheb0x on Jun 27, 2010 20:59:04 GMT -6
I would love to hear some of them systems..
its just getting better and better with the stock stuff, auto makers have to step it up because people want all these do-dads and gadgets...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2010 10:50:12 GMT -6
The ES350 has the Mark Levinson system with the subwoofer in the back.. i thought it sounded good, one thing i did not like, the bass was wierd, the subwoofer had that wierd bass noise like it couldnt handle any of it, so much so i had to turn the bass wayy down.. kinda sucked. Some of the new OEM audio sytems are crazy...had a 300c srt-8 at the auction and it had a huge Kicker 12inch sub in the trunk factory and saw a mustang with 2 of them think its was called the mach 1000 or something. Bose has been tossed in so many cars i guess people are wanting better. testdrove a hyundai with some sytem from lexicon or something like that. Sounded great That would be the Hyundai Genesis, the sedan that my fathers girlfriend and I test drove had the lexicon system. It was the absolute best sound system I have heard bar none.
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Post by intheb0x on Jun 28, 2010 23:40:32 GMT -6
i really want to test drive this car, how did u like it Aura? how did it ride? was it the V8?
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Post by unirok on Jun 29, 2010 7:35:47 GMT -6
i really want to test drive this car, how did u like it Aura? how did it ride? was it the V8? One of the best riding cars I ever drove. Hyundai is really getting thier stuff together. Still no where near the feel of my previous BMW 745s but getting there. 4.6 was powerful but didnt quite feel like 375 hp to me then again the STS-V felt underpowered as well.
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Post by intheb0x on Jun 29, 2010 20:58:52 GMT -6
i really want to test drive this car, how did u like it Aura? how did it ride? was it the V8? One of the best riding cars I ever drove. Hyundai is really getting thier stuff together. Still no where near the feel of my previous BMW 745s but getting there. 4.6 was powerful but didnt quite feel like 375 hp to me then again the STS-V felt underpowered as well. i really want to see how a 745 rides, do you think this car rides better then the lexus' ive been in? im going to look for one to test drive next, along with a new lacrosse.
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Post by unirok on Jun 30, 2010 22:14:00 GMT -6
One of the best riding cars I ever drove. Hyundai is really getting thier stuff together. Still no where near the feel of my previous BMW 745s but getting there. 4.6 was powerful but didnt quite feel like 375 hp to me then again the STS-V felt underpowered as well. i really want to see how a 745 rides, do you think this car rides better then the lexus' ive been in? im going to look for one to test drive next, along with a new lacrosse. Try to look for a 745 Sport but even the regular handles amazing for its size and it really moves with its 4.4 v8. Not sure about how the lexus ride compares but BMWs will def handlle better. even a simple lane change makes the huge 745 handle like a much smaller car. The new lacrosse is nice have not driven one yet. if you cant find a 745 fine a 750 they drive the same pretty much.
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Post by intheb0x on Jun 30, 2010 23:29:16 GMT -6
i really want to see how a 745 rides, do you think this car rides better then the lexus' ive been in? im going to look for one to test drive next, along with a new lacrosse. Try to look for a 745 Sport but even the regular handles amazing for its size and it really moves with its 4.4 v8. Not sure about how the lexus ride compares but BMWs will def handlle better. even a simple lane change makes the huge 745 handle like a much smaller car. The new lacrosse is nice have not driven one yet. if you cant find a 745 fine a 750 they drive the same pretty much. thanks for the heads up, im sure the 745 rides better, i love the current gens look so much, but there is a huge following with the last generation as well.. ive sat in the brand new 10-11s, one was my fav, was black on black, even the dash was that piano black.. incredible cars.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2010 23:54:56 GMT -6
i really want to test drive this car, how did u like it Aura? how did it ride? was it the V8? Uni pretty much hit the nail on the head. It was the 4.6 sedan, ride was fantastic. Best I have ever rode in. But I havent stepped in to a BMW or Benz lately. I thought the 375 HP was used really smartly. With alot of torque throughout the rev band. The transmission was a baby. I wanna say it was a 6 speed. I know it was an auto. But its shifts were prompt yet firm. I would definately buy one if I had the cash.
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Post by aj on Jul 1, 2010 9:52:44 GMT -6
The Aurora was not a Maxima, Camry fighter, that was the Intrigues job. They were more in with the Lincoln LS, Lexus ES350, Chrysler 300 C, Acura 3.2 TL and so on. Yeah cars are not being built like they once were. The Aurora is a very safe riding car, nice layout/features, lots of standard features, hardly any new cars had as many standard options like the Aurora had, and just a nice luxury car that has been really reliable to me. Yeah the Aurora needs some quirks worked out and needed some improvements but like what car doesent need it? My Auroras has a nice ride and feel to it and drives just like my moms 2004 Cadillac SLS. But everyone has to remember Olds was given the axe when they redesigned the 2nd gen and given hardly any budget 2 mess with. Whatever you want to believe...Aurora competes with LS430 heck it might as well compete with the MB S class.. Whats a 2004 SLS...you mean Seville. I have driven plenty of cars with more options that the Aurora had. Curtain Air bags? 5 or 6 speed auto? HUD? etc etc...did the Aurora have these features? I drove older cars with them? All features Aurora had camry and maxima offered. 300C lol was that even out when the Aurora was around....use google son lol First off did I say that the Aurora competed with the Lexus LS430, exactly I didnt. I was talking about when the Aurora was around 1995-2003 model years. My dad owned his own dealership for 23 years and had Oldsmobile/Cadillac/GMC on his lot. So I dont need to use google. A 1995 Camry had all the options a 1995 Aurora had, no and the same with a 2001 Camry and Aurora, maybe Avalon. The Camry was not in the near entry luxury market, the Aurora was. A SLS is a cadillac Seville, I just said that so everyone knows what trim level the Seville was. Like you never make a mistake when you type?. I have driven many cars myself so I know a lot about cars. You can argue with me all you want about the Aurora I dont care. So you need to get your facts straight?
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Post by unirok on Jul 1, 2010 19:25:40 GMT -6
Whatever you want to believe...Aurora competes with LS430 heck it might as well compete with the MB S class.. Whats a 2004 SLS...you mean Seville. I have driven plenty of cars with more options that the Aurora had. Curtain Air bags? 5 or 6 speed auto? HUD? etc etc...did the Aurora have these features? I drove older cars with them? All features Aurora had camry and maxima offered. 300C lol was that even out when the Aurora was around....use google son lol First off did I say that the Aurora competed with the Lexus LS430, exactly I didnt. I was talking about when the Aurora was around 1995-2003 model years. My dad owned his own dealership for 23 years and had Oldsmobile/Cadillac/GMC on his lot. So I dont need to use google. A 1995 Camry had all the options a 1995 Aurora had, no and the same with a 2001 Camry and Aurora, maybe Avalon. The Camry was not in the near entry luxury market, the Aurora was. A SLS is a cadillac Seville, I just said that so everyone knows what trim level the Seville was. Like you never make a mistake when you type?. I have driven many cars myself so I know a lot about cars. You can argue with me all you want about the Aurora I dont care. So you need to get your facts straight? Lol why do you have your parents cars in your sig lol. yes yes we all know your dad owned a olds dealership please move on. For a car guy you know very little about cars. Still laughing about your 300c comment lol
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Post by turnne on Jul 3, 2010 7:50:29 GMT -6
Does the one ur test driving now does it have where all the windows roll down and the panaromic sunroof opens all the way with the key fob? I thought that was a neat feature that is the only thing the 2010 Buick Lacrosse is missing ? Sheesh even my old 2001 Audi Allroad does that? My 1992 Mercedes 300SD( that I traded in 2004) had that feature as well an pneumatic door and trunk closure Some of the features have been a round for a long time guys..they are nothing new In fact the Lexus LS430 likely had them The Lexus Ls430 is not know to be a very good handling car...it like the Aurora is a cruiser at heart To me..it really doesn't matter how much "umph" the car has if it doesn't like to be tossed around and stop quickly You should test drive one the german sedans...E class ..5 series...in a V8 version and see what you think Warren
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Post by turnne on Jul 3, 2010 7:54:26 GMT -6
i really want to test drive this car, how did u like it Aura? how did it ride? was it the V8? I test drove the V8 version about 8 months ago Phenominal car for the 45K sticker...makes you wonder how Cadillac priced the CTS at a higher price for a lesser car My takeaway from the Hyundai was that it was at least 10-12K too cheap with its sticker From what I have read no real teething/reliability issues from the first year models either Warren
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Post by turnne on Jul 3, 2010 7:56:23 GMT -6
One of the best riding cars I ever drove. Hyundai is really getting thier stuff together. Still no where near the feel of my previous BMW 745s but getting there. 4.6 was powerful but didnt quite feel like 375 hp to me then again the STS-V felt underpowered as well. i really want to see how a 745 rides, do you think this car rides better then the lexus' ive been in? im going to look for one to test drive next, along with a new lacrosse. Much better than the Lexus In my mind BMW did some magic in making car that large and heavy handle and drive that well Head and shoulders above the Aurora and both STS's I have owned...and its both heavier and longer than any of them Warren
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