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Post by Marc on Oct 27, 2013 19:32:41 GMT -6
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Post by lkraft92 on Oct 28, 2013 8:35:04 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 9:00:11 GMT -6
The reasoning was there, obviously. Pontiac wasn't a dead brand. With the introduction of the G8 Pontiac had a fighting chance. If only they could have given the brand a shot.
Oldsmobile being cut was far more understandable than Pontiac. Oldsmobile had no new blood, and was dying a painful death. If GM had pumped some funds into the brand, who knows.
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tim1993
Aurora Driver
99 Oldsmobile Aurora 4.0L V8
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Post by tim1993 on Nov 3, 2013 8:27:16 GMT -6
i think Oldsmobile could have gotten better i wish they gave it another shot specially the auroras but i actually like the new style Buicks they look classy to me real nice looking cars and i like the Pontiacs as well but i guess somethings arent meant to be.
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Post by malibu5437 on Jul 30, 2014 19:33:44 GMT -6
What's the reason for them not selling the name then like they tried on Saturn, Saab and hummer?
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Post by Kersh on Jul 31, 2014 10:55:22 GMT -6
It wouldn't matter. Would anyone really want a Pontiac that wasn't made by GM?
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Post by malibu5437 on Jul 31, 2014 23:18:26 GMT -6
Good point
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Post by human on Jan 16, 2015 11:47:45 GMT -6
Yeah, looking just at the domestic market, saving Buick at the expense of Pontiac made little sense. What apparently tipped the scales in Buick's favor was the brand's popularity in China.
I still maintain that Oldsmobile was sacrificed at the altar of Saturn. Oldsmobile's plummet into oblivion began at almost exactly the same time Saturn was introduced. I've never seen it documented anywhere, but it stands to reason that GM had too many brands in the early '90s and was more interested in promoting its newest brand--Saturn--than in reviving its oldest--Oldsmobile. They ran the "Not Your Father's Oldsmobile" ad campaign into the ground during that time, knowing full well they were alienating traditional Oldsmobile buyers and not attracting younger ones to replace them. I also find it curious that the early Saturns mimicked many of Oldsmobile's styling cues, including the split grille with a vertical, rectangular emblem in the middle; in fact, the front clip of a first generation Saturn sedan looks almost just like a '66 Toronado, and the overall lines of that same Saturn sedan almost perfectly replicate those of the W-body Cutlass Supreme sedan that was in production at the time, but in a smaller scale. It's interesting to note that Saturn dropped the Olds-like styling cues almost immediately after Oldsmobile's final demise. All this taken together hardly adds up to a coincidence.
Daily Driver: 2011 Impala LT
Weekend Toy: 1995 Aurora
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Post by rorafan on Jan 16, 2015 15:02:20 GMT -6
the early Saturns mimicked many of Oldsmobile's styling cues... Completely agree. More than once I've heard ppl refer to the 1st gen Saturn 4-doors as bearing a striking resemblance to the Cutlass Supreme...or later even the Aurora. I sorta see it, more along the lines I guess of what you mentoined about the front end, esp. the split grille, etc. and maybe the C (rear) pillar Saturn seemed destined for greatness in the early '90s. Those things sold like crazy around here even into the late '90s...I was in college at the time and they were literally the "attainable dream car" of many. Saturn-only junkyards sprang up and commanded high parts prices. Dealers held DIY seminars and cookouts. Thousands made the trek to the factory every year for the Homecoming celebration (I am not making any of this up). Only the Corvette seemed to have a similar following. Despite all that, I've read that it's doubtful GM ever really turned a profit with Saturn, so I kinda get letting it go. But Olds and Pontiac?! That really left me hurting!  |
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Post by aj on Jan 16, 2015 23:05:49 GMT -6
Yeah Saturn never did make a profit for GM ever. They should have got rid of Saturn before Oldsmobile, and Saturn did not sell as much as Olds did ever! Most of GM executives was not behind the decision to axe the Oldsmobile brand because it would cost them a fortune to close them down and it did.
Oldsmobile was important in the auto world and was an great brand and we are forever proud of Oldsmobile, Landing, Michigan and Oldsmar, Florida to keep Mr. Ransom eli Olds legacy going!
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Post by Marc on Jan 17, 2015 8:23:02 GMT -6
Oldsmobile was important in the auto world and was an great brand and we are forever proud of Oldsmobile, Landing, Michigan and Oldsmar, Florida to keep Mr. Ransom eli Olds legacy going! And we of ACNA will keep Oldsmobile's memory alive, with emphasis on the Aurora! |
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Post by ohiobuckeye on Jan 18, 2015 10:08:09 GMT -6
What apparently tipped the scales in Buick's favor was the brand's popularity in China. Buick topped a million units for the first time since 1984 last year. 3/4 of that million went to the very profitable upscale Chinese market. Worldwide GM sold 10 million units last year regaining 2nd largest auto manufacturer in the world. Brand dumping and bailout politics aside, not bad for a company that was on its deathbed 7 years ago. |
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plato442
Aurora Driver
Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Oldsmobile...
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Post by plato442 on Jan 22, 2015 10:37:31 GMT -6
Two great point ohiobuckeye & human. Buick is thriving in Asian markets, and GM has really pulled their heads out (or half way out at least) for the time being. GM, GMAC, & Chrysler have payed back about half of the bailout. Of course nobody seems to mention that Ford also received a type of bailout from the Dept of Energy to upscale its plants and also heavily benefited from urging the Govmt to pass the cash for clunkers program (sold 90,000 Fords under the program in first 6 months of). But hey, like Marc and everyone else here on ACNA, I drive my Olds proudly to keep the brand's memory alive! |
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Post by Marc on Jan 22, 2015 10:41:03 GMT -6
But hey, like Marc and everyone else here on ACNA, I drive my Olds proudly to keep the brand's memory alive! HEY, GM.......I HOPE YOU READ THAT!!!! |
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