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Post by rocketman on Dec 16, 2004 18:46:35 GMT -6
Well guys (and girls), I had the 500 in at the dealer today to replace some defective interior parts. Just when I was parking it, the ISS made the first noise (likely now that it is getting cold again). I had them lube it.
I'm getting tired of bringing Laura and Rorry to the dealer for a lube. Does anyone have the instructions from the manual so I can do it myself? I have found some places on the web that give an overview but I have to believe the service manual has better guidleines.
TIA
I need to get a manual!
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Post by Marc on Dec 16, 2004 19:02:36 GMT -6
You can get the 2nd gen manual at www.helminc.comIt was $120 when I got mine 3 years ago. Expensive, but worth it if you want to do anything on this car. ______________ GM!!! BRING BACK OLDS!!!
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Post by Aurora40 on Dec 16, 2004 21:09:45 GMT -6
Heheh, I want to get the same info. I believe it's a TSB, not a regular service/repair item. I don't think it's in the service manual, though I have one and should check it out. I just don't like my car going to the shop. Just another chance for it to get scratched...
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skexius
Aurora Groupie
Currently own a 2003 Collector's Edition Oldsmobile Aurora(#55 of 500) & a 2003 Cadillac Seville STS
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Post by skexius on Dec 17, 2004 2:50:08 GMT -6
Hey Rocketman, How many miles do you have on your Final 500 now? Also, what interior parts did you have to have replaced? I am asking these questions because mine only has 538 miles on it so far and I wanted to be on the lookout for any signs of the dreaded ISS groans and moans now and premature failure of interior parts. I'm trying to keep this car in as brand new condition as I can, but it is very hard even with keeping it semi-stored and driving it occasionally. Already, I have run the battery down to the point of needing to boost it off to get it started twice in the last two weeks. I left the radio on too long without the car being started one time and the headlights, radio, and interior lights on another time. I could just kick my own behind for being so stupid! I hope this hasn't caused much damage to the battery in keeping a charge for a long period of time. I also have some surface scratches now on my trunk from my Car Duster, I think, and a scuff mark on the edge of my driver door from accidently banging it against the wall of my storage unit while trying to push the car out of it to get a boost off. Man, I'm getting afraid to even go near the car now. No telling what will happen to it next. skexius P.S. - I also noticed that our newer Auroras make rapid clicking sounds from the starter when the battery voltage is low enough not to start the car just like the Classics do. The DIC and Electronic Climate Control reset and go haywire until the battery is recharged. Kinda scary the first time it happens to you unaware. I hope this doesn't cause much harm to the starter gears.
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Post by rocketman on Dec 17, 2004 6:02:49 GMT -6
I just turned 5590 miles. I did find this info when searching the web last night. It's not bad, but if the manual has it, all the better. I was also able to cut and paste some more detailed instructions that I saved in Word but I don't remeber the site it came from. If you guys want a copy of that, send me a PM and I'll forward it off. It is much better than the link below. www.impalahq.com/HowTo/Iss.htmlHere's a list of the TSBs as far as I know. www.alldata.com/TSB/43/014330EP.htmlI don't like bringing my car to the dealer because I don't want it scratched either. I won't even bring it in the rain because I don't want the mess in my interior. I also may have an electrical gremlin. When my headlights are on auto, they don't go off when I turn the car off. I'm going to compare the DIC settings against the '01 today to ensure I have everything right. It works fine on the '01. The issues around the battery are normal though. Don't worry about that. As far as the scratches, I know what you mean. Sometimes you create more problems the more careful you are. Sometimes ya just gotta go with the flow..........
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Post by rocketman on Dec 17, 2004 7:12:10 GMT -6
Clunk Noise from Front of Vehicle During Turning Maneuver/Steering Wheel Rotation (Lubricate Intermediate Shaft) #01-02-32-001C - (09/12/2003) Clunk Noise From Front Of Vehicle During Turning Maneuver/Steering Wheel Rotation (Lubricate Intermediate Shaft) 2001-2004 Buick Regal
2000-2004 Cadillac Seville STS
1997-2004 Chevrolet Cavalier
2000-2004 Chevrolet Impala, Monte Carlo
2001-2003 Oldsmobile Aurora
1998-2002 Oldsmobile Intrigue
1997-2004 Pontiac Sunfire
2000-2004 Pontiac Bonneville
2003-2004 Pontiac Grand Prix
This bulletin is being revised to add and remove models. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 01-02-32-001B (Section 02 [shy ] Steering).
Condition Some customers may comment on a clunk type noise coming from the front of the vehicle during a turning maneuver. This condition may also be felt through the steering wheel when the vehicle is stationary and the wheel is rotated from steering stop to steering stop. Typically, the clunk noise will be heard once for every 180° of steering wheel rotation in either direction for J-cars (Cavalier and Sunfire). However, some vehicles may only exhibit the noise once for every 360° of wheel rotation. On all other vehicles, this clunk noise will be noticed during low speed acceleration or deceleration, typically in light turns of the steering wheel.
Important a.. Do not replace the following steering gear part numbers: a.. GM P/N 26063582 b.. GM P/N 26056808 c.. GM P/N 26031078 d.. GM P/N 26079915 e.. GM P/N 26055468 f.. GM P/N 26079917 g.. GM P/N 26079929 h.. GM P/N 26081813 i.. GM P/N 26080057 j.. GM P/N 26088612 k.. GM P/N 26086001 l.. GM P/N 26088334 m.. GM P/N 26088539 n.. GM P/N 26068964 o.. GM P/N 26058681 p.. GM P/N 26068967 q.. GM P/N 26088606 r.. GM P/N 26067451 s.. GM P/N 26087241 t.. GM P/N 26087416 b.. Do not replace the following intermediate shafts: a.. GM P/N 10327501 b.. GM P/N 10327502 c.. GM P/N 10327553 d.. GM P/N 22680754 e.. GM P/N 22704392 f.. GM P/N 26050292 g.. GM P/N 26055042 h.. GM P/N 26073020 i.. GM P/N 26078302 j.. GM P/N 26079240 k.. GM P/N 26079787 l.. GM P/N 26100571 This condition is commonly misdiagnosed as originating in the steering gear and has resulted in the replacement of numerous steering gears without correcting the concern.
Cause This condition may be caused by inadequate lubrication of the steering intermediate shaft which results in a "slip stick" condition possibly resulting in the clunk noise.
Correction Remove the intermediate steering shaft from the vehicle and lubricate the shaft with a Steering Column Shaft Lubrication Kit, P/N 26098237. Follow the service procedure listed below.
1.. Remove the steering intermediate shaft from the vehicle. Refer to Intermediate Steering Shaft Replacement in the appropriate Service Manual.
2.. Fully extend the intermediate shaft by pulling the two shafts apart.
3.. Apply the grease supplied in the Steering Column Shaft Lubrication Kit in the aluminum end of the yoke opening. Direct the syringe tip as deep as possible into the yoke and dispense the full content of the syringe.
4.. Install the rubber stop plug from the Steering Column Shaft Lubrication kit into the yoke opening.
5.. Secure the rubber plug by swinging the upper yoke 90°. One ear of the yoke should press the rubber plug in.
Important Make sure the intermediate shaft is being pressed over the ears of the solid shaft.
6.. Use a hard surface to ease the collapse of the intermediate shaft. It is best to use a pumping action when collapsing the shaft. Collapse the shaft as far as possible. 7.. Remove the rubber stopper plug from the yoke end of the shaft.
8.. Slowly extend the intermediate shaft apart.
9.. Inspect the intermediate shaft for a minimum of 5 mm (0.2 in) (a) of grease on the shaft splines. 10.. Repeat steps 4-9 if less than 5 mm (0.2 in) of grease is on the shaft splines.
Important Before installing the intermediate shaft in the vehicle, make sure to stroke and extend the intermediate shaft at least 15 TIMES to completely lubricate the internal surface of the slip joint.
11.. Reinstall the intermediate shaft into the vehicle. Refer to Intermediate Steering Shaft Replacement in the appropriate Service Manual. Parts Information Part Number Description
Together with the diagrahm from the link in the previous post, it should be doable.
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Post by Aurora40 on Dec 17, 2004 10:20:29 GMT -6
I hope this hasn't caused much damage to the battery in keeping a charge for a long period of time. P.S. - I also noticed that our newer Auroras make rapid clicking sounds from the starter when the battery voltage is low enough not to start the car just like the Classics do. The DIC and Electronic Climate Control reset and go haywire until the battery is recharged. Kinda scary the first time it happens to you unaware. I hope this doesn't cause much harm to the starter gears. Car batteries are not deep-cycle batteries, afaik. I believe they are made to be in a charged state all the time. Discharging them severly affects the life of them. I don't really like car dusters. I try to QD my car after every excursion. If you get a lot of garage dust, you may consider a cover, or using something like QEW to wash it when it's very dusty. That way you won't get water in the body or anything. You should be able to polish out any marring from a duster without too much trouble. My car has 27k miles on it and is just starting to grind a bit when turning. Rocketman, thanks for the detailed steps!
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Post by rocketman on Dec 17, 2004 11:44:11 GMT -6
As far as interior pieces, I have replaced the top dash pad and left windshield pillar moulding. Both had bubbles where the vinyl was separating from the rest of the piece. I also replaced the top woodgrain piece on the console because my ashtray would not close (that was really annoying to look at). The hinge on the center armrest was also broken so they replaced the entire armrest. I suspect the last two were caused by the wholesalers who were transporting/using the car from the time it was sold by the original owner to the time I bought it from the dealer.
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skexius
Aurora Groupie
Currently own a 2003 Collector's Edition Oldsmobile Aurora(#55 of 500) & a 2003 Cadillac Seville STS
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Post by skexius on Dec 20, 2004 3:49:56 GMT -6
Rocketman and Aurora40,
Thanks for all the responses to my questions. I have not noticed any of the groans and grinds yet, but you would not expect them at such low mileage as my car has. Age may eventually cause it to show itself. I hope that there is a fix released for the Aurora as the Bonneville has.
As far as interior parts failing, I had to have the hinge replaced on my armrest as you have. Mine only lasted one month after I bought the car before it broke. I also had the upper wood applique surrounding the radio, climate control, and hazards replaced because there was a small discolored spot in the wood that made it look as if there was a faded water spot on the wood. It seemed to have came that way from the factory. It was replaced, but it was not put on correctly by my dealership. The wood applique doesn't fit around the center stack snugly as the original piece did. I sticks up and out on the lower part of the center stack closest to the front passenger side of the car. I have pointed it out and asked the dealership to look at it twice, but they said that it was O.K. and will not correct it further. I am still not satisfied with, but am apprehensive about taking it to another dealer. I tried to get the local Cadillac dealer to be my servicing dealer for this car originally. I even went to introduce myself and find out if they could service my car first. They said yes. I took the car to them later to have several factory defects I wanted corrected and they did not fix anything. They called at the end of the day and told me that they had been on the phone all day with GM and the Zone Manager strongly recommended that I take the car back to the GMC dealer because they also used to be the Oldsmobile dealer and still were servicing and had the tools for them. I gave in and use the GMC dealer currently.
Anyway, moving on. I had not heard of anyone with 2001-2003 Auroras having problems with any type of dash separation. Rocketman, I wonder what happened to your car? Maybe the original owner kept it outside in the sun all the time? I hope that you have got all the little things fixed on it so that you can now enjoy the car even more.
Thanks again.
skexius
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Post by rocketman on Dec 20, 2004 15:18:18 GMT -6
He's all perty now with the exception of the left rear exhaust tip which is still a little crooked. I haven't decided whether it's worth cutting it and rewelding. My fear is that the weld would be questioned more than a crooked tip if I were to ever sell it. Hopefully, it will only be annoying to the people I leave behind!
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skexius
Aurora Groupie
Currently own a 2003 Collector's Edition Oldsmobile Aurora(#55 of 500) & a 2003 Cadillac Seville STS
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Post by skexius on Jan 7, 2005 0:31:35 GMT -6
Hey everyone, I now have a 2003 Aurora service manual if anyone with a 2003 Aurora needs information from it. I bought it on eBay. No one else bidded on it except me and I bought it for the grand total of.... $30.99 with shipping and handling! Can you believe that?!! It was in almost brand-new condition. They cost $135 brand-new on the Helms Publications website. There's one thing that I did notice on the first page of the book. It tells you up to what date the information in the book cuts off at. Mine says 10/28/2002, so it is not all the way up to the March 2003 build out date of the last 2003 Auroras made unfortunately. However, all the basic information for this year model is in it. Let me know if I can look up any for you. I'll be glad to. skexius
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Post by rocketman on Jan 7, 2005 6:56:51 GMT -6
Gotta ask...........
Is there anything about the ISS outside what we found so far in this thread?
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Post by Aurora40 on Jan 8, 2005 9:53:30 GMT -6
I'll check my manual for the procedure to remove the stuff that needs to be removed. Been busy. As to your crooked tip, you can probably fix it without cutting it. Stick a long bar down the opening and you can bend it around a bit without hurting it.
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