Final 500 On The Strip

[Mr. Javi]

Hey rjs, I know your out there somewhere, I found this video of your Final 500 on the strip, running some nice numbers, click on the link below.

members.aol.com/aurora402002/dragstrip/3rdrun.mpg

If you read this rjs, give us some feedback about runnig your Aurora, man that Corsa system sounded like music to my ears.


[glow=red,2,300]Javi.[/glow]

[scottydl]

Javi said:

man that Corsa system sounded like music to my ears.

Sweeeet! That was a great run, except for the fart can muffler on that Miata that was drowing out the Aurora.

[JimW]

This has been posted before, Bob himself posted it the day after he went to the track.

14.8 in the 1320...not to shabby. Its a 2002 not a Final 500 btw

[Aurora40]

JimW said:

This has been posted before, Bob himself posted it the day after he went to the track.

14.8 in the 1320...not to shabby. Its a 2002 not a Final 500 btw

^ What he said:

aurorah.proboards20.com/index.cgi?board=Zoom&action=display&thread=1100381076

There would have been some better sounding runs when my car was in the closer lane. However, in all of those there were some real dragster cars right behind my wife in the staging area that were revving up loud as heck. So it totally drowned out my car on the camera. But you can still hear my car roar up over the fart can car for a bit (until I get so much further away than he is).

[stevensolds]

yeah thats a great vid bob. the 2nd gen is lighter than the classic correct? i dont think mine would pull that hard especiall without the autobahn and gutted intake / full cat-back like jim and you have. i just have the dynomax mufflers and razzi kit for now ;D

[Aurora40]

stevensolds said:

the 2nd gen is lighter than the classic correct?

The second gen was listed at 3802, and the classic at 3967 I believe. So about 160 lbs or so difference. However, the newer car is by no means a lightweight, 3800 lbs is still a lot to haul around.

[Mr. Javi]

JimW said:

This has been posted before, Bob himself posted it the day after he went to the track.

14.8 in the 1320...not to shabby. Its a 2002 not a Final 500 btw

My bad, the color had me fooled, but ah, yeah it was still cool to watch doe, good run Bob.

Also if the weight of the classic is about 3967, I would remove everything as possible, like the spare tire for starts, then the whole back seat, my speaker box, that should drop a couple of hundred pounds.


[glow=red,2,300]Javi.[/glow]

[Custom88]

Aurora40 said:

The second gen was listed at 3802, and the classic at 3967 I believe. So about 160 lbs or so difference. However, the newer car is by no means a lightweight, 3800 lbs is still a lot to haul around.

Don't forget that the V6 is also 130 pounds lighter than the V8 version so the V6 is around 290 pounds lighter than the Classic Aurora.

[stevensolds]

i dont think i would race a V6 aurora on a drag strip.

[Mr. Javi]

stevensolds said:

i dont think i would race a V6 aurora on a drag strip.

True.

[Custom88]

stevensolds said:

i dont think i would race a V6 aurora on a drag strip.

oh no definately not... the numbers would probably be too close to a classic without autobahn.

Steven, I've driven both the V6 and a classic Aurora. I wouldn't be putting it down all the time until you actually drove one. Doing so consisently without ever setting foot in one is just pure ignorance.

[Letitroll98]

Hey custom, what are the relative times? (0-60, 1/4, whatever) I have driven the V6 and it feels pretty quick. Stock Classics are about 8.2 sec 0-60 non-autobahn, a touch faster with the higher final drive. The V6 has 230 ftlbs or torque which is not all that far off the 260 ftlbs for the Classic V8, and with lighter weight it may come very close in 0-60 times, a bit farther off in 1/4 mile I would suppose.

[Custom88]

Letitroll98 said:

Hey custom, what are the relative times? (0-60, 1/4, whatever) I have driven the V6 and it feels pretty quick. Stock Classics are about 8.2 sec 0-60 non-autobahn, a touch faster with the higher final drive. The V6 has 230 ftlbs or torque which is not all that far off the 260 ftlbs for the Classic V8, and with lighter weight it may come very close in 0-60 times, a bit farther off in 1/4 mile I would suppose.

There aren't any published numbers to go by, but I've tested only the 0-60 before and it was in the low 8 second range. I'd probably guess maybe 8.4? Can't get real accurate numbers this time of year because of road conditions and snow, etc. In the spring I'll probably test it out.

[JimW]

No doubt the Classic is quite slow off the line, there are times when I can get the car to co-operate, but its not a stoplight-to-stoplight car.

Get it over 4000 RPM and things get a bit crazy. If I ever go to the track with my car it will be fun to get to 4000+ RPM ASAP.

[stevensolds]

I think C/D in 1994 was a bit too conservative with the Classic V8 non-autobahn 0-60 times. It sure as hell seems faster than 8 seconds. Im gonna borrow my friends G-Force GT1 or whatever you call it timer thing that goes into the cig lighter. Do a couple runs with taht then i should know how fast it is.

BTW, custom, i was not saying your 3.5 was a dog. Its more of a "sound" thing with me, i love the sound of a V8 rumbling, and i can not stand a V6 fart pipe like some of these almost-ricer intrigue setups around here have. I know, the intrigue has a crappy airbox and the Aurora 3.5 has the same airbox and exhaust of the 4.0, which is GREAT and probably why its got as much pickup as you say it does.

Oh and well no, i have never been behind the wheel of a 2nd gen 3.5 and certainly dont ever plan to (or even a 4.0 for that matter). I dont care how fast a car is or how great the motor sounds. If the car looks like crap, forget it, everything else is irrelevant. The 2nd gen to me looks like such a turn-off its not even funny. It looks nothing like the Classic. I think Olds may have just whipped up a design really fast for the 2nd gen because they knew they were going out of business...whatever. The classic V8 has a muscular looking front with the sort of raised hood and front cat eye headlamps are really sharp. From a distance though you can tell the car is aging. Up front it looks great to me. I love the back too. The back on the 2nd gen to me is even worse than a Ford Taurus, even though the whole car pretty much looks like one anyway.

But thats just my opinion and im sure you like your aurora like i do mine.

[Aurora40]

stevensolds said:

I think Olds may have just whipped up a design really fast for the 2nd gen because they knew they were going out of business...whatever.

You are probably right. Except I seem to recall the Olds announcement being made in December of 2000, while the Aurora started being manufactured 10 months prior to that. But I suppose they could have known back then, right? I mean, how much before the manufacture date did they start designing it? How long could it take to design a car anyway? You probably doodle a car or a smurf up in 15 minutes in your study-hall class, so profesionals probably don't need more than a week or two to get it all straight.

What do you hope to accomplish with posts like "I wouldn't track a V6" or "the second gen is a taurus"? Especially in a thread that is about a day at the track?

Custom88, will you be attending the Carlisle event? I suspect that there are 1/4 mile tracks close by, if not the Hagerstown one couldn't be more than an hours drive away. They have their open track days on Saturdays, so perhaps we could all just go over there and see what exactly a 3.5 and 4.0 2nd gen can do, and what exactly a 1995 4.0 non-autobahn can do.

[Marc]

Work started on the 2nd generation a long time before
12/12/2000, the date of the announcement from GM.
If Olds engineers & designers had known 1 1/2 years in
advance about GM's decision to cut Olds, I don't think
that there would have been a 2nd gen.
And it turned out that as soon as the 2nd gen arrived in
the showrooms 5 years ago this month, Olds designers
started to work on the 3rd gen. They were told by GM's
Big Boys to drop the project, but the Olds people were
not told why at that point.


____________________

GM!!! BRING BACK OLDS!!!

[stevensolds]

Aurora40 said:

You are probably right. Except I seem to recall the Olds announcement being made in December of 2000, while the Aurora started being manufactured 10 months prior to that. But I suppose they could have known back then, right? I mean, how much before the manufacture date did they start designing it? How long could it take to design a car anyway? You probably doodle a car or a smurf up in 15 minutes in your study-hall class, so profesionals probably don't need more than a week or two to get it all straight.

What do you hope to accomplish with posts like "I wouldn't track a V6" or "the second gen is a taurus"? Especially in a thread that is about a day at the track?

Custom88, will you be attending the Carlisle event? I suspect that there are 1/4 mile tracks close by, if not the Hagerstown one couldn't be more than an hours drive away. They have their open track days on Saturdays, so perhaps we could all just go over there and see what exactly a 3.5 and 4.0 2nd gen can do, and what exactly a 1995 4.0 non-autobahn can do.

I am not saying my 1995 would blow yours out of the water. Personally I really dont care. I know yours is faster. Its lighter, its got autobahn standard, that sweet $1000 cat-back exhaust, man lol. What i like is a good balance of performance and styling. Like my kit that im getting. Obviously, my performance end is very lacking. I only have the Super Turbo mufflers (which i love, but i need the y-pipe too so it will open it up more). When i get my cat converter replaced, im going high flow. But also i have el cheapo exhaust tips for $15 a piece. They are really friggin ugly. Im gonna have to get some dual-duals like Jim has. Especially with the kit, the tips really are weak. Hell, the stock tips looked better than these do.

But anyway, yeah why not, at Carsisle i will race the strip just for the fun of it. It would be kinda cool to see 2 Auroras go at it anyway Better than racing a honda civic or some ricer honda with a fart can.

Im gonna eventually focus towards more performance, but i dont want to go dumping a buttload of cash into this, then having a tranny or other problem. I would be up poop creek.

And oh man , you dont have to be so brazen like that in the first paragraph. I know how well the 2nd gen handles, not from personal experience but someoen i know has one and he said there is tremendous improvement over the classic that there was too much to tell in one day. Like i said earlier, to me, performance and handling arent everything. Looks gotta be there too. The front aint to bad on that 2nd gen. The back is where it looks like a toyota camry...thats where they seemed to slack off a bit

However.. i would very much like to race that 3.5 aurora. Not to be a total a**hole but i just want to see the V6 end of the spectrum and how it would perform on a straightaway like that. Im not sure how much torque that thing makes up past 4000rpm, where my classy V8 roars like a rocket. I will probably have the high-flow cats by the time Carsisle comes anyway. My cats right now keep trippin the SES every other week at least. Also some idiot "Bank 1, Check MAF" or some garbage keeps coming up on the OBDI scanner. Im gonna have to see what that means.

Im not used to the design of the rear quarter area of the New Body-style Aurora at this point. It just hasn't grown on me like the older body style Aurora. Even so - there are so many technological advances in this vehicle that I would piss all over myself if could come close to even thinking that I understand it. I can't believe that GM Powertrain actually produced a "Roller" Over Head Cam System for the 4.0 ltr V8. Furthermore, I can't help but notice the resemblence to several competitive designs such as the Taurus or Sable - which as I understand - far exceed even the Hi-Tech 6 year developement prgram that went into the issuance of the New Style Aurora, as well as ALL of the New Cadillac Models. I think I'll stick with the "Old School" Aurora Models and kick my own ass for many more years to come

[Isnibs]

stevensolds said:

I think C/D in 1994 was a bit too conservative with the Classic V8 non-autobahn 0-60 times. It sure as hell seems faster than 8 seconds. Im gonna borrow my friends G-Force GT1 or whatever you call it timer thing that goes into the cig lighter. Do a couple runs with taht then i should know how fast it is.

BTW, custom, i was not saying your 3.5 was a dog. Its more of a "sound" thing with me, i love the sound of a V8 rumbling, and i can not stand a V6 fart pipe like some of these almost-ricer intrigue setups around here have. I know, the intrigue has a crappy airbox and the Aurora 3.5 has the same airbox and exhaust of the 4.0, which is GREAT and probably why its got as much pickup as you say it does.

Oh and well no, i have never been behind the wheel of a 2nd gen 3.5 and certainly dont ever plan to (or even a 4.0 for that matter). I dont care how fast a car is or how great the motor sounds. If the car looks like crap, forget it, everything else is irrelevant. The 2nd gen to me looks like such a turn-off its not even funny. It looks nothing like the Classic. I think Olds may have just whipped up a design really fast for the 2nd gen because they knew they were going out of business...whatever. The classic V8 has a muscular looking front with the sort of raised hood and front cat eye headlamps are really sharp. From a distance though you can tell the car is aging. Up front it looks great to me. I love the back too. The back on the 2nd gen to me is even worse than a Ford Taurus, even though the whole car pretty much looks like one anyway.

But thats just my opinion and im sure you like your aurora like i do mine.

This is the AURORA Club of North America
Why are you attacking the second gen Aurora, you are basically insulting all Aurora owners.

[stevensolds]

Well sorry you have a problem with my posts Isnibs, however i do not intend to insult the 2nd gen owners. I respect their opinions and values of their 2nd gen as i do my classic, even thuogh my posts may not show it.


Btw, isnibs, attacking the 2nd gen aurora isnt attacking the owners. If i attacked the owners as much as i did the car i probably wouldnt be around here right now. I try not to jump on people and be an asshat like i was in the beginning. I do try and i will try harder.

[erw38]

Let's try to get back on topic hear. This thread is about Bob's car on the dragstrip and let's try to keep it that way or else I'm afraid that this thread will be closed.

Please don't make me be the bad guy here.

Thank you to everyone for your cooperation.

Elan

[hockeydad33]

Sorry about being so lame on the second gen specs. but I think I noticed in a earlier post on this thread that the 2nd gen has autobahn as standard equipment? If that is so my kid is going to be sooo jealous. I do like his (1st gen) body style a little better but I really am glad I have an aurora even though it is 2nd gen. Some times you just have to do what you have to do.

[Aurora40]

hockeydad33 said:

Sorry about being so lame on the second gen specs. but I think I noticed in a earlier post on this thread that the 2nd gen has autobahn as standard equipment? If that is so my kid is going to be sooo jealous. I do like his (1st gen) body style a little better but I really am glad I have an aurora even though it is 2nd gen. Some times you just have to do what you have to do.

There is no autobahn package for the new car. But all 2001+ 4.0L cars have the 3.71:1 axle ratio. They do not have V-rated tires, though.

[Custom88]

Aurora40 said:

Custom88, will you be attending the Carlisle event? I suspect that there are 1/4 mile tracks close by, if not the Hagerstown one couldn't be more than an hours drive away. They have their open track days on Saturdays, so perhaps we could all just go over there and see what exactly a 3.5 and 4.0 2nd gen can do, and what exactly a 1995 4.0 non-autobahn can do.

it sounds good, but I don't really have time for much of anything. With 40 hours of classes during the week, and 50 hours of work on top of that I don't have time for much of anything. I haven't even had one day off since Christmas break.

Then again, if the 2nd gen is similar to my mom's 00 SSEi we might as well hang this up alltogether. That car will hand me my a$$ very easily stock. That is very low 7's to 60 MPH. She wanted to trade me cars straight up, but I like the styling of the Aurora more, especially interior and its quality, although the SSEi is so much faster and modable.

[Letitroll98]

Here's some stuff scheduled at Carlisle including time trials at a local strip:

Drag Racing at South Mountain
Twenty minutes from the Carlisle Fairgrounds, South Mountain Dragway will be the place to smoke your tires and whittle down your ETs on the one-eighth-mile strip. Special celebrity guests may race and will be on hand to be part of the action. We will update you on the guests as they are confirmed

SCCA Drivers’ School and Driving Experience
Learn about your car's potential and your ability to manage it. The Susquehanna Region of the SCCA and its chapter club, The Appalachian Sports Car Club, will conduct a drivers' school on Saturday and a time trial on Sunday for attendees during the show weekend. The activity is held on the Carlisle Fairgrounds’ quarter-mile six-turn mini road course

Dyno Challenge
Find out exactly how much power your car can muster. Come to the Dyno Testing booth. No more guessing. Axcelerated Motorsports is the official dyno for Carlisle Events 2005 and will be conducting testing for maximum horsepower and torque on our Dynojet model 248 chassis dynamometer


Looks like a ball, hope to see as many as possible.

[stevensolds]

how much money to get your car dynoed?

[Letitroll98]

stevensolds said:

how much money to get your car dynoed?

Send me $150 and I'll get you in for free.

[Isnibs]

Quote "until I get so much further away than he is"
I love it, Go Aroara.

stevensolds you can afford more than that. Send Letitroll98 $300 and we will both get you in free.

[stevensolds]

aint sendin you poop...

[Isnibs]

stevensolds said:

aint sendin you anything...

Well your loss. Dale junior and springsteen are gonna be there.
Also a chance to win $10 million smackers