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Post by sall on Jul 28, 2013 7:46:28 GMT -6
The lighting control module from factory will remove ground from the fog relay coil killing the fog lamps when high beam are activated. This is annoying for many reasons especially if you are running HID ballast in your fogs(not recommending). To keep the fog lamps on with high beams is simple in both the Classic and 2G. Classic:  For the Classic simply permanently ground the Dark Green/White(B7 or PIN 85 on relay) to chassis. You can do this at the fuse block or under the dash. Under the dash you will cut or depin PIN A4 on connector C1 from lighting control module. Cap off LCM side and ground the Dark Green/White wire under the dash. This is also err illegal to an extent. It's DOT regulation to kill fogs with highs, but I digress. I'm just not responsible for your modding. 2G:DIM and IPM must both be bypassed. The fog switch then directly provides the ground to the front fog relay.  I deleted the 2G stuff as it has not been confirmed. Procedure: De-pin or snip C9 (orange) wire from pink 32-way IPM (C1) connector. De-pin or snip A7 (dk grn/wht) wire from grey 24-way DIM (C3) connector. Run a jumper wire between these two wires behind the dash. Zip tie jumper wire under dash to make it look nice and neat. Done. *If you de-pin you can always put it back. If you snip the wires and leave the pins in the connector you will have to reattach wires together if you ever want to change it back. About two inches from each pin I spliced in a short wire with a quick connect on each of the IPM and DIM wires. Quick connect on each end of the jumper wire. IPM module is located under the ignition cylinder (drivers side) and DIM module is located under the glove compartment (passenger side). |
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Post by sempar on Jul 28, 2013 15:36:19 GMT -6
Sall,
Looking at the 2G diagram, if you ground the drk grn / wht for the front, or the yel for the rear fog lights, they will be on anytime the ign is in run or crank.
John
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Post by Paulaurora on Jul 28, 2013 16:34:59 GMT -6
Why is it illegal for fogs and highs to be on at same time?
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Post by sall on Jul 28, 2013 17:14:41 GMT -6
Sall, Looking at the 2G diagram, if you ground the drk grn / wht for the front, or the yel for the rear fog lights, they will be on anytime the ign is in run or crank. John Thanks! I only hastily looked at the 2G setup this morning. 2G are a bit smarter.  I will look and see if there is a way. Don't cutting anything yet Andrew! Paul, I have no idea. It's a 6 forward lamp rule. |
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Post by oldgoat on Jul 29, 2013 6:51:28 GMT -6
There can't be more than 4 bright lights on at one time and the total brightness is limited by law so as to not blind approaching drivers or drivers you are approaching from behind. I personally find it rude for someone to have the fog lights on all the time. This is one of my pet peeves. At night it's almost like looking into bright lights. It's very annoying when a vehicle is coming up from behind on the highway at night. If it takes a long time for them to catch up and pass, if they ever do, it's especially annoying. Tall trucks are the worst due to the height of the fog lights. It's like them having on the high beams and makes the rear view mirrors useless. I normally redirect the mirrors so the lights are not in my eyes which means I can't easily see what's happening behind. Personally, I suggest you delete this post since it's not legal and may contribute to less than safe driving conditions for others.
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Post by Kersh on Jul 29, 2013 7:08:17 GMT -6
Cosidering the fog lamps affect the area 75-100 feet (ish) in front of the vehicle, I'm really not worried about who happens to see my car while they're on. If my fog lamps are bothering someone, they're either laying on the ground directly in front of my vehicle (in which case, I'd hope they'd have other things to be worried about than my fog lights in their eyes  ), or my fog lamps are aimed REALLY poorly (...which mine are NOT). BTW, my fog lamps have been set to "on" since I've owned the vehicle...and will continue to be. |
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Post by sall on Jul 29, 2013 7:43:59 GMT -6
suggest you delete this post since it's not legal and may contribute to less than safe driving conditions for others. Many many modifications found on the forum are illegal. It's your discretion to do them or not. This mod only keeps fogs on when using high beams if fogs already active. Fair warning was/has been issued. One must still show a certain courtesy to other drivers on the road. |
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Post by RCA1186 on Jul 29, 2013 11:32:42 GMT -6
I don't think I've ever been annoyed or thought any type of fog light was too bright while driving.
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Post by nelson480 on Jul 30, 2013 21:01:48 GMT -6
I don't think I've ever been annoyed or thought any type of fog light was too bright while driving. Grand prixs and Ford trucks with the fogs on are extremely bright! They dont even put any useable light on the road people just think they look cool! |
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Post by awehlage on Aug 3, 2013 7:35:15 GMT -6
Class 2 Serial Data sucks for 2G mods....envy you classic owners!
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Post by sall on Aug 3, 2013 8:32:38 GMT -6
Sorry awhelage. Jumped the gun on ya. Why don't you just decipher that serial data?  haha |
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Post by renaldo0613 on Aug 3, 2013 9:34:27 GMT -6
Shine on!!! I ride around with my fog lamps on during the day, and night!! Nice mod Sall.
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Post by sall on Aug 3, 2013 11:13:04 GMT -6
Shine on!!! I ride around with my fog lamps on during the day, and night!! Nice mod Sall. So, you always ride around with park lamps on? That's on my list of things to do. Instead running the fog switch only hot with park lamps on I want to make it always hot/hot in run only. So, fogs can be independently turned on. It's not a big deal to me now though. |
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Post by awehlage on Aug 3, 2013 14:22:24 GMT -6
Sorry awhelage. Jumped the gun on ya. Why don't you just decipher that serial data? haha uhhhhhhhh....right. |
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Post by tim1993 on Sept 10, 2013 1:03:23 GMT -6
i always ride with my fog lamps on it makes the car look good too me i just like the way they positioned the lights and i've never know anybody fog lamps to be brighter then the headlights i know mine are not anyway but having the fogs mean i dont have to ever use the bright unless i really wanted too cause i only used mines like once or twice other then that i wish this was able to get those angel eyes head lights
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Post by sall on Sept 10, 2013 7:14:45 GMT -6
Sure you can have angel eyes. Just get the confidence to open up your lamps and install. TRS has already been through three iterations of COB angel eyes and although they are getting better still many failures. TBH though the LEDs bake in an enclosed housing and will all fail eventually because of heat from halogen/HID light source when mounted around a projector. Also take for example the yellow phosphor on top of blue LEDs to make the output white. This phosphor coating will degrade with sunlight over time. I don't think they suite our cars very well but that's only my opinion.
Anyways, this is just a thread about a simple mod to keep fog lamps on with highs. Is it necessary? No. Does it harm anything? No. Extended run time will kill your vision distance though. Too much foreground lighting. One shouldn't be using high beams around other traffic anyways except for flash-to-pass. With properly aimed fogs there is nothing wrong with running them at night either. Trucks are a different story.
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Post by irectus on Sept 10, 2013 14:02:13 GMT -6
Soooooooo.. the procedure to keep fogs on when you turn highs on (for 2g aurora) is...... permanently ground Green/white at front and yellow at back? I only ask because my buddy gave me a ?patch cord? And told me to hook it up to battery or active 12v wire from toggle/switch.
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Post by sall on Sept 10, 2013 14:41:00 GMT -6
Soooooooo.. the procedure to keep fogs on when you turn highs on (for 2g aurora) is...... permanently ground Green/white at front and yellow at back? I only ask because my buddy gave me a ?patch cord? And told me to hook it up to battery or active 12v wire from toggle/switch. This will NOT work for 2G. You will have to independently wire the fogs if you want this 'mod'. |
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tim1993
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Post by tim1993 on Sept 11, 2013 3:03:44 GMT -6
i kinda had a feeling the angel eyes would not work and thnx for the advice i'll just get the all white halogen kit then im sick of seein every car i pass with blue halos to me blue headlights is so played out
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Post by irectus on Sept 11, 2013 9:02:08 GMT -6
stupid question, but when you say wire them independently, do you mean find the wire for the fogs on the toggle switch and cut/connect to that? .... i assume i should be looking for this wire under the dash....
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Post by awehlage on Nov 2, 2013 14:02:45 GMT -6
I deleted the 2G stuff as it has not been confirmed. Procedure: De-pin or snip C9 (orange) wire from pink 32-way IPM (C1) connector. De-pin or snip A7 (dk grn/wht) wire from grey 24-way DIM (C3) connector. Run a jumper wire between these two wires behind the dash. Zip tie jumper wire under dash to make it look nice and neat. Done. *If you de-pin you can always put it back. If you snip the wires and leave the pins in the connector you will have to reattach wires together if you ever want to change it back. About two inches from each pin I spliced in a short wire with a quick connect on each of the IPM and DIM wires. Quick connect on each end of the jumper wire. IPM module is located under the ignition cylinder (drivers side) and DIM module is located under the glove compartment (passenger side). |
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Post by sall on Nov 2, 2013 15:35:41 GMT -6
Yes! I knew it would work brother!
I will quote your text and add it original post!
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Post by awehlage on Nov 2, 2013 16:56:16 GMT -6
Yes! I knew it would work brother! I will quote your text and add it original post! Thanks for your help!! Glad you could provide me with the information. Sent from my XT901 using proboards |
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Post by sall on Nov 2, 2013 17:13:50 GMT -6
You're my boy, Blue!! lol Good to know the 2G brains can be defeated. I love the smell of napalm in morning, smells like victory. Two movie references in one post... |
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irectus
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Post by irectus on Nov 5, 2013 13:04:06 GMT -6
Both good movies too  I will be doing this tomorrow if it doesn't rain; no garage to work in  Can I leave all wires the way they are/connected, and just use 2 t-taps to splice into orange and dark green/white wires and a jumper wire to connect to connect them together? Or do the wires have to be disconnected for this to work? |
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Post by sall on Nov 5, 2013 13:18:09 GMT -6
Both good movies too I will be doing this tomorrow if it doesn't rain; no garage to work in Can I leave all wires the way they are/connected, and just use 2 t-taps to splice into orange and dark green/white wires and a jumper wire to connect to connect them together? Or do the wires have to be disconnected for this to work? No, T-Taps won't work. You must bypass the DIM and IPM. Otherwise they still know the fogs are on. |
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irectus
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Post by irectus on Nov 6, 2013 12:07:23 GMT -6
figured. thanks for confirming. going to see if the weather will break for a little so i can get this done quickly. good to know that we don't have to use a relay harness and tap onto the battery.
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irectus
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Post by irectus on Nov 6, 2013 12:56:31 GMT -6
Anyone know what gauge of wire we're dealing with here?
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Post by awehlage on Nov 6, 2013 18:53:11 GMT -6
Small...20-22 gauge is my best guess.
Sent from my XT901 using proboards
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Post by sall on Nov 6, 2013 19:01:42 GMT -6
Small...20-22 gauge is my best guess. Sent from my XT901 using proboards Right. You are switching ground to relay coil. |
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I will look and see if there is a way. Don't cutting anything yet Andrew!
), or my fog lamps are aimed REALLY poorly (...which mine are NOT).
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