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Post by boduke on Jan 10, 2014 1:26:21 GMT -6
Engine rebuilding and studding has been done for years by so called shade tree mechanics, it is not rocket science. Any competent mechanic, machine shop, or machinist can accomplish the task. I checked out N.S.P. and decided to do the insert/studding job myself, and yes I am competent enough in my mechanical skills to do this. The price will be a lot less as well, saving money for other upgrades I wish to perform. I will be using Norms inserts to repair a pulled head bolt condition (2) on the front bank. I will also address any other issues such as spark plug replacement, and gaskets. Again I am just waiting until spring, and will keep the board advised.
PS. to anyone facing a similar problem, consult your local machine shop first.
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Post by sall on Jan 10, 2014 17:42:55 GMT -6
Interesting indeed about the valve covers. Very odd.
Any updates on the engine performance, Jake?
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Post by northstrperformnce on Jan 10, 2014 22:04:01 GMT -6
Not yet. I'm still at the Manitoba shop; I am heading to Ontario where the engine is stored next week. I have a head gasket job to do on a 2000 Deville, if I have the time I'm going to slip that engine in one of my cars and run the pressure test. If it passes its staying in the car and I'm going to drive it.
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Post by rbi2112 on Jan 13, 2014 19:33:29 GMT -6
Man, I got better things to do than put up with this relentless crap. On a side-note, the new site format is pretty cool, but I don’t see a Reply # attached to the posts. Those things were a great idea. I hate to see them go.
Anyway, that person up north and I certainly do disagree on about everything. However, when one is proven as wrong as clearly as he was over his charge of faked photographs, I would think an apology is in order. I know if I had pulled such a stunt and been caught, I would have acknowledged my error and offered a public apology. Apparently, that is not the case with Mr. Weebee. He just keeps piling on, continually misquoting and taking things out of context trying to obfuscate and confuse the people on this forum.
So it’s back to lifter chatter again? Man, talk about beating a dead horse . . . I direct your attention to my Nov. 27, 2013 post, which stated:
“Mr. Weibe and others members of this forum said top end chatter from the valve train was normal - it would go away as oil circulated throughout the engine. They were correct. After a few miles the top-end chatter went away completely. The engine ran very smooth.”
Can we move on now?
Back to the 10 PSI and 0 PSI misdirection again? Mr. Weebee has once more provided us with a teachable moment. Everyone, just go back to my post of January 6, 2014. It’s all there. He pulls two statements out of context, flips them over, assigns them to the other person and presents them as fact.
In regards to this post on January 4, 2014:
“Because of this ill-knowledge and quick-reflexes of the OP and shop owner, they just pulled a PERFECTLY good engine out of the car and I ate all of the costs, including delivery.”
Caught red-handed saying he ate all the costs of us pulling the engine, this is what passes for an apology:
January 7, 2014: “I'm not responsible for labor charges for pulling out a perfectly good engine.”
Just wipe the egg off your face and keep swinging. I guarantee in a few days he will announce to the world that his inspection of this motor is complete and it is a perfectly good engine. Oh, wait. He just said that.
And what of this mystery man in Texas? Someone named Tim? I’ll give Mr. Weebee one thing. He never takes his foot off the gas. Now he is setting his sights on the man who sold me the new engine. Be sure to read this next part, Jake-buddy. Read it real slow so that it has plenty of time to sink in:
It is with much joy and relief that I can report to the members of this forum that my Aurora was started today and it held oil pressure at hot idle. I missed the primary startup, but was told initial oil pressure hovered around 60 PSI. There was a minor ATF leak from a loose tranny line, but the top-end chatter vanished after just a few minutes as she warmed up. The engine runs extremely smooth. The Weebee motor was quiet as well (after the valve chatter subsided), but I can barely hear this motor running. Of course, this was in a garage with all the associated background noise, but this motor seems to run like a champ.
The oil pressure slowly walked down to 10 . . . then 9 . . . . and held at 8 PSI. Whew, what a relief. They shut it off after 30 minutes and let it cool down completely. It was restarted this afternoon with similar results. The only setback, if I can call it that, is the “Traction Off” light stays on. Probably a phantom code or a mis-prong in one of the harnesses. She’ll be coming home Wednesday or so, which means I can finally put an end to this saga and get on with my life. Thank you Tim Carroll. Congratulations on a job well done.
With that in mind Mr. Weebee, I just want to say one more thing to you. God Bless Texas.
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Post by northstrperformnce on Jan 14, 2014 11:58:34 GMT -6
You're working for carroll directly. He's got you in his back pocket.
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Post by anandsihra on Jan 14, 2014 15:13:06 GMT -6
You're working for carroll directly. He's got you in his back pocket. Sorry, I have to put my two cents in again. Mr. Weibe, and Randy as well, there is a diplomatic way of handling every situation. I understand that Randy's comments about "Mr. Weebee" are a direct reaction to Mr. Weibe's handling of the situation. However, this could have been solved simply by Jake saying, "I'll grab a flight to wherever you are and inspect the car myself. If theres an issue with my engine, I'll fix it no charge. However, if the problem lies elsewhere, I expect reimbursement of my travel costs, lodging costs, and time." Simple as that. Customer is happy, and he's going to make sure his mechanic thoroughly checks to see what the problem is before he agrees so he knows he's not going to be out of pocket. And I'm not saying the engine is NFG, but what if there is an issue. Nobody knows if you'd publicly admit it, but if you do, you're going to be eating all your words, and when people are deciding which Northstar rebuilder to choose, if they see this, they're definitely going to think twice. I don't know if this is your primary source of income or just side work, but any business owner knows what a bad review can do for business, and most businesses make sure they do some heavy damage control. But after reading all of this, it looks to me as though you've just added fuel to the flame.
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Post by rbi2112 on Jan 21, 2014 22:59:42 GMT -6
Well, she finally came home Saturday and is resting comfortably in the garage. The “Traction Off” light is still on. It has been traced to the ABS module, which was replaced during the 2nd engine change. Went out on a 65-mile trip Monday, running errands around the Miami Valley. Upon pulling in the garage, placed the transmission in Park and sat there for a half-minute or so, watching the oil pressure reading on the car’s DIC system. Never budged off 12 PSI. Suh-weet.
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Post by randnon on Jan 21, 2014 23:22:32 GMT -6
I'm glad you finally made it,Your mechanics are probably happy to see it out of their garage as well. Enjoy your ride and looking back it will all be worthwhile. Most drivers just would not understand why we put so much heart into our cars. Rich
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Post by rbi2112 on Jan 26, 2014 11:57:30 GMT -6
Attachment DeletedAttachment DeletedHere are a couple pics from Friday night, January 24, 2014. Very cold, but had to go out. The first photo shows engine temp (200+ degrees) and idle speed (700 RPM). The 2nd photo shows the oil holding steady at 10 PSI. The new motor has passed every test so far.
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Post by rbi2112 on Jan 26, 2014 11:59:20 GMT -6
Okay, the photos are small. However, by clicking on the picture you can enlarge it.
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Post by renaldo0613 on Jan 26, 2014 22:35:46 GMT -6
Looking good. A little to warm for my comfort in 16° weather. Mine ran under 200° on a summer day.
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Post by bobsblue95 on Jan 27, 2014 12:11:00 GMT -6
Looking good. A little to warm for my comfort in 16° weather. Mine ran under 200° on a summer day. I'd be wondering if my sensor/gauge was malfunctioning.
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Post by RCA1186 on Jan 27, 2014 13:06:50 GMT -6
Have to agree with renaldo, that looks a tad warmer than I ever see, even in the summer, unless of course I'm stuck in stop and go with the AC cranked after getting off the highway, then she MIGHT get that high. Got the tune and the fans on early to take care of that now though haha.
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Post by renaldo0613 on Jan 27, 2014 13:10:20 GMT -6
Have to agree with renaldo, that looks a tad warmer than I ever see, even in the summer, unless of course I'm stuck in stop and go with the AC cranked after getting off the highway, then she MIGHT get that high. Got the tune and the fans on early to take care of that now though haha. Yup. Thats the only time i got that high.
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Post by northstrperformnce on Jan 28, 2014 9:52:10 GMT -6
You're working for carroll directly. He's got you in his back pocket. I don't know if this is your primary source of income or just side work, but any business owner knows what a bad review can do for business, and most businesses make sure they do some heavy damage control. But after reading all of this, it looks to me as though you've just added fuel to the flame. This is not my only income source. I do incredibly well. I'm not talking financially. That's another aspect that remains private (let's just say I'm not skipping any meals and my next trip to Key West is already paid for). I'm happy. Because my work makes me happy. I help a lot of people with a widespread problem. My success rate is above 99% and I've said all I need to anyway. I don't care who says what, you come to me politely stating you have an issue, you allow me to help; I will. You approach me with a bad attitude (I don't care your reasons why), yell at me on the phone, lie to me, publically slander me, you're on your own. I don't turn a wrench for anyone who doesn't have an ounce of respect for me. Yet I will work through the night on a customer's car to get it done by morning, if they show me they're good people. See how it works? For me; ambition is driven by the desire to help. Obviously; I expect to get paid, too. So if someone already treats me poorly, then threatens to call VISA/Mastercard to do a chargeback, well **** you and have a nice day. Until you've been in the trade you probably won't understand. But anyone who judges me based on this bullsh** thread alone, will never do business with me and I am perfectly fine with that. I won't beg for business. But what you will get, if you start off by showing me respect, is exactly that in return. Respect, my best work, my care and kindness, attention to detail and even possibly a life long friend. I don't care where you're from or who you are, that is essentially the code of ethics within the human race.
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Post by rbi2112 on Jan 30, 2014 23:47:43 GMT -6
Since the issue of valve covers surfaced on my new engine, I have noted a few other items as well that were different on the CCC motor from the Wiebe engine. For the purposes of clarification, I contacted Tim Carroll of Carroll Custom Cadillac’s regarding what is included with one of his engines. He explained that there was a huge difference between what constituted a re-manufactured engine versus a crate motor. What follows is an excerpt from our email exchange: "Actually, besides buying a crated engine, re-manufactured engines do not come with all the accessories; whether these are sensors, modules or anything besides a rebuilt block and/or heads. If you were to purchase just the heads, would they come with the intake? Or maybe the clips on the right bank to hold on the water pipes? Or would you in fact just get the heads? Even the oil pan is an accessory but of course this has to be in place for protection of the lower end of the engine, so it in fact comes with the Northstar. When you purchase an engine from us, which is the rebuilt mechanical block, that is what you get, whether you are buying a Northstar or any other engine on the market; whether from me or the hundreds of companies around the globe. However, when you buy a crated engine, you are buying an engine fully together, maybe for a kit car. There are reasons for paying much more for this setup. But when you just need an engine for an existing car and you already have everything to go with it, why buy everything twice? Here at CCC, we sell both, but when you buy just the motor, that is what you get, the block and of course the heads in this case. There will be no electrical components or any other accessory unless you request them." I hope those members considering replacing an engine find this information helpful. Now, in response to the queries regarding the car’s engine temperature. I was a little surprised as the low 200’s is where my original motor always operated at, the Weibe engine as well. I researched this subject further and found a discussion on this very subject on a Cadillac forum. The motor in question is the same model as the one I have, a '97 4.6 liter: "The thermostat is set to begin opening at 188 and fully open at 206. Unless the HVAC system is in AUTO, when fans run in slow all the time (A/C function commanded ON) the fans are controlled by the engine coolant temperature sensor and come on in SLOW at 224 and FAST at 236. The car should run, on the highway, at about 196-204. With the HVAC OFF, the temp will go to 224 in traffic, fans come on, and the temp goes down to 213 when fans turn off. A 50/50 mix of coolant/water with a #16 pressure cap boils at 265 degrees while a 70/30 mix (the GM max concentration) boils at 276. Fans do not run above 45 mph. (They're not needed then.) About 255 is the Northstar "overheat" warning point. Camel mode engages at around 270." Local driving in the summer will run 212 to 217, traffic bumper to bumper in the summer will run 217 to 235 depending upon the outside temps. Here is info from the Factory Service Manual on the cooling fan operation. When the AC is on, the fans are commanded to LOW speed operation, with the AC off, the fans are off until the temp reaches 229, when the temp drops to 216 the fans will go off (unless the AC is on)... The fans do not kick into high speed operation till 234 degrees. The PCM will command fan operation when: Low Speed Fan Operation: 1) Engine coolant temperature exceeds approximately 106°C (229°F). 2) Transmission fluid temperature exceeds 150°C (302°F). 3) A/C operation is requested. 4) After the vehicle is shut OFF if the coolant temperature at key-off is more than 151°C (304°F) and system voltage was more than 12 volts. The fans will stay ON for approximately 3 minutes. 5) The fans will switch from low to OFF when the coolant drops below 102°C (216°F). High Speed Fan Operation: 1) Engine coolant temperature reaches 112°C (234°F). 2) Transmission temperature is more than 151°C (304°F). 3) When certain DTCs are set. 4) The fans will switch from high to low (except when DTCs are set) when the coolant drops below 106°C (229°F). I had Madtuner weave his magic on my PCM. The cooling fans are set to kick on at 200 for low speed operation and 210 at high speed. I will observe the car warming up in a day or two to verify at what temperature the cooling fans are kicking on. On an unrelated topic, I rcvd an email from Rockauto.com today. Apparently, they have a bunch of first-gen Aurora parts for sale. A closeout sale. Everything from brake parts to window motors. Electrical plugs and sensors to gaskets and A/C parts. Here’s the link: www.rockauto.com/RSS/vehiclefeeds.php?carcode=1216976&m=wc&l=en&html=trueBetter stock up now. Which begs a larger question. What are we gonna do when something simple yet totally obscure and critically important to our cars cannot be had at any price? It’s scary. There may be a day when a wrecked Aurora will be worth it’s weight in gold (Renaldo). The guy who starts hoarding parts now may be a very wealthy man someday. Lastly, I see in his latest diatribe that Mr. Weibe has now resorted to cussing me out on this forum. How sad. Is this what this thread has devolved to? Our business relationship was severed 11 weeks ago. I was warned to expect this from him. I remember upon joining this forum, reading the ACNA Charter of Conduct which among other things, clearly states: “The message boards for the ACNA is a community message board tailored specifically for owners of the Oldsmobile Aurora. The first and most important rule is simply; respect for each other. No vulgarity in post content or signatures. Avoid using cr3ative spel1ing to avoid language filters in place. No flaming of other members or trolling of sensitive topics to incite or perpetuate a conflict or argument. Personal attacks or name-calling can get you banned. Repeated offenses WILL get you banned.” I understand he has his supporters and everyone can choose sides as they see fit. However the bottom line is this: I bought an engine from him. It would not work. I had to replace it at my own cost with an engine from someone else. That engine works. I lost upwards of two grand. Yet he keeps attacking. But now, my car works. Case closed. My decision was the correct one. I have moved on. Sticks and stones, Jake - sticks and stones . . . I hope he has a great time in Key West. I won’t be going to Florida anytime soon. It will take me two years to pay off these repair bills. And that’s okay. Because now, My Car Works.
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Post by critiblair on Feb 1, 2014 0:15:09 GMT -6
Well... I have just read this entire thread from start to finish. How unfortunate. I realize that both parties involved had a bad experience, but everyone needs to remember that emotions are running high on both sides. I can only say that my experience has been quite different overall. I know that reading this will not fix anything in this situation, and the solution is at hand for rbi2112. I understand it is instinctual to use any opportunity to get your point across, and these are the joys of multimedia, websites, forums and chat groups. I will take a moment to do the same. I like several others, have had the opportunity to meet Jake, and have him work his brand of magic on my Northstar. I am in a very unique role with Emergency Services, and use my car daily. Approximately one year ago upon responding to an emergency situation, I pumped all of my coolant out the tailpipes. At this point, I had no idea about the Northstar reputation of lifting the heads under high compression and pulling the bolts. Well long story short, Jake studded my engine, and replaced the timing chain tensioner ..and one piston.... Did I mention I spend a lot of time WOT? Well, with an exchange of handshakes and his fee, we parted ways with his personal guarantee " Try and break this engine! Run it WOT all day long....if you break it, I'll give you a new one" Well folks, trust me when I tell you I have tried....oh how i have tried... I am one of a very few people that can run a car like this legally above 75 mph (for the record ... yes it is registered by an agency as an emergency vehicle, and is equipped with emergency lighting... and before I get flooded with comments about unsafe this and unsafe that..keep in mind I'm one of the people that keep you all safe..) Anyway, at 75,000 miles post Jake Stud repair, the engine is still flawless. I keep in touch with Jake just because I am a car enthusiast, and he has bailed me out on several occasions with a few body parts, a wheel bearing change, and other sundry items. He has ALWAYS been a consummate professional and a man of his word with me. He always answers his calls or text messages... I would say to anyone out there if you are unsure of his dedication or character.. I encourage you to contact me directly to discuss. Oh.. and for those of you who are wondering... 161.72 mph top speed as registered by a LiDAR.... yes.. that little N* can dance. My service keeps "suggesting" I should change my vehicle out... now why the heck would i do that?? Sorry to all involved for the bad experiences in this thread.. I hope everyone can put it behind them and move on. Cheers
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Post by rbi2112 on Feb 1, 2014 14:41:43 GMT -6
Critiblair - Let me be the first to welcome you to the Aurora Club of North America and choosing this thread for your first post. I must say I'm somewhat jealous however. I mean, legally allowed to drive over the speed limit like that? That is pretty cool. No, that is awesome cool. Of course the flip side is the monumental responsibility you carry with you on your job. Thanks for all the work you people do.
It is good to see the success you have had with Jake's engine. Wish I could've said the same. Tell us about the Caddy. What year is it? I'm guessing it has to be the 9-code engine. Has the PCM been tuned? Of course, now that you are a member of ACNA, you'll have to get an Aurora. With a lower drag co-efficient and weighing less than a Cadillac, who knows what these Northstar-powered cars are capable of? Once again, welcome aboard. You are going to make lots of new friends.
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Post by renaldo0613 on Feb 1, 2014 18:38:26 GMT -6
Well... I have just read this entire thread from start to finish. How unfortunate. I realize that both parties involved had a bad experience, but everyone needs to remember that emotions are running high on both sides. I can only say that my experience has been quite different overall. I know that reading this will not fix anything in this situation, and the solution is at hand for rbi2112. I understand it is instinctual to use any opportunity to get your point across, and these are the joys of multimedia, websites, forums and chat groups. I will take a moment to do the same. I like several others, have had the opportunity to meet Jake, and have him work his brand of magic on my Northstar. I am in a very unique role with Emergency Services, and use my car daily. Approximately one year ago upon responding to an emergency situation, I pumped all of my coolant out the tailpipes. At this point, I had no idea about the Northstar reputation of lifting the heads under high compression and pulling the bolts. Well long story short, Jake studded my engine, and replaced the timing chain tensioner ..and one piston.... Did I mention I spend a lot of time WOT? Well, with an exchange of handshakes and his fee, we parted ways with his personal guarantee " Try and break this engine! Run it WOT all day long....if you break it, I'll give you a new one" Well folks, trust me when I tell you I have tried....oh how i have tried... I am one of a very few people that can run a car like this legally above 75 mph (for the record ... yes it is registered by an agency as an emergency vehicle, and is equipped with emergency lighting... and before I get flooded with comments about unsafe this and unsafe that..keep in mind I'm one of the people that keep you all safe..) Anyway, at 75,000 miles post Jake Stud repair, the engine is still flawless. I keep in touch with Jake just because I am a car enthusiast, and he has bailed me out on several occasions with a few body parts, a wheel bearing change, and other sundry items. He has ALWAYS been a consummate professional and a man of his word with me. He always answers his calls or text messages... I would say to anyone out there if you are unsure of his dedication or character.. I encourage you to contact me directly to discuss. Oh.. and for those of you who are wondering... 161.72 mph top speed as registered by a LiDAR.... yes.. that little N* can dance. My service keeps "suggesting" I should change my vehicle out... now why the heck would i do that?? Sorry to all involved for the bad experiences in this thread.. I hope everyone can put it behind them and move on. Cheers It would be nice to see your aurora with the emergency lights on her. I bet that looks good lol.
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Post by RCA1186 on Feb 7, 2014 11:27:52 GMT -6
It would be nice to see your aurora with the emergency lights on her. I bet that looks good lol. Is it an Aurora? Thought the governor kicked in in the 140mph range? Well, mine wont since its tuned haha, but stock ones.
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Post by plato442 on Apr 7, 2014 9:05:39 GMT -6
Any updates?
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Post by rbi2112 on Apr 15, 2014 22:48:46 GMT -6
Hey Everybody. Haven't posted for awhile, too busy tossing wood in the stove awaiting the arrival of spring. My third-year college student daughter had her car totaled in February by a drunk driver. It took us a month to find a replacement. Also remodeled a bathroom. That was fun.
Okay, as to the car, the CCC engine is doing quite well. I changed the oil at 1,250 miles. It was very clean. It's up to 2594 miles as of today. Haven't really let the reins loose yet, although merging onto the interstate has proved most rewarding. There is a definite difference between the 4.6 9-code with Madtuner's magic and my old four-liter. Now that the dust has settled, the smoke has cleared and Jake Weibe is way back in my rearview mirror, I am going to post all the costs involved in case anyone was considering going down the same road. I did spend more than I had too, replacing the original brake lines for the front wheels, new power steering lines, radiator and so forth. Also rebuilt the transmission. It only made sense since everything was out to make these repairs.
The car is going back into the shop in a couple weeks. The new engine oil-life sensor has failed and I want to replace all the struts, even the rear ones which are new. Don’t ever buy the Monroe-Max struts. They are junk. My car handles like an ocean liner. Driving over a tar stripe is like hitting a 2 X 4 laying out in the road. It drives me crazy. The car came with the FE3 sport suspension, but, man, this thing handles horribly. Have spent a fair amount of time cruising the website, looking for the best brand of struts. For my money that would be KYB. Also plan on doing the front strut tower brace as well. Hope I can find it . . .
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Post by guy48065 on Apr 16, 2014 10:27:24 GMT -6
...I am going to post all the costs involved in case anyone was considering going down the same road. I look forward to your post. It's nice to have options for re-powering an Aurora--esp. since mechanically they are built to last 1/4M miles or more. For my money though I think I'd have to look outside the N* family of engines. Too many expensive problems.
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Post by rbi2112 on Apr 16, 2014 14:13:40 GMT -6
Well, that would be an interesting project to say the least. You know there is no substitute for cubic inches, as the old saying goes. I'm thinking a 455 out of an Olds Toronado, which is also front-wheel drive. If it were humanly possible it would be pretty neat. But getting the computer to match up with that motor and the sheer weight of that engine along with a hundred other issues would turn the whole project into a national nightmare. Still, it would be the baddest Aurora on the planet if it could be done.
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Post by rbi2112 on Apr 24, 2014 22:10:42 GMT -6
Here is a list on all the costs incurred installing a re-manufactured engine in my Aurora. I did upgrade to a 9-code 4.6 liter Cadillac engine. However, that change added zero costs to the project. I decided to protect my investment in this car by doing some other things while the engine was out, which had the added benefit of saving on future labor costs.
For instance, the front brake-lines and power steering-lines were 16 years old and looked it. They were replaced. All the hoses and belts, along with the radiator and water pump were changed out as well. As the transmission was out of the car , even though it worked fine, it only made sense to have it rebuilt to save the labor costs at a later date.
My experience was not typical. The first engine, from Northstar Performance, proved defective (no oil pressure at idle) and had to be replaced. Unfortunately, they reneged on their 5-year 100K mile warranty and blamed me. This is why two labor charges are listed for R & R of the engine. I was able to get my money back by filing a dispute with MasterCard. That is why their motor is not listed here. It’s cost was $4,325 dollars and included none of the required gaskets for all of the components. However, I had to eat the labor costs of pulling that engine, removing all the parts and installing the replacement from Carroll Custom Cadillac. The good news is that the CCC engine ($4,000 dollars) included all the gaskets I needed. A much better deal, although I had to use my original 4.0 valve covers.
Engine replacement Costs on my 1997 Oldsmobile Aurora
1) $1,645.00 Complete Auto - Remove engine, transfer all components to new motor and install into car.
2) $1,694.90 Lewisburg Transmission - Rebuild transmission. Fluid and filter replaced.
3) $162.19 Rodney Cobb Chevrolet - Engine cradle bushings and hardware.
4) $104.29 Rock Auto Car Parts - Power steering hoses and sway bar links.
5) $337.44 Rodney Cobb Chevrolet - Water Pump, miscellaneous gaskets, seals and hardware for new engine.
6) $148.98 NAPA Auto Parts - Belts, radiator hoses, fuel filter and gaskets, seals and hardware for new engine.
7) $507.15 Complete Auto - Installation of listed parts (items 3 - 6. New front-end brake lines fabricated and installed as well.
8) $241.20 Madtuner Inc. - PCM reflash.
9) $4,000.00 Carroll Custom Cadillac - Remanufactured engine.
10) $807.58 Complete Auto - Remove first replacement engine, transfer all components to new motor and install in car. Oil level sensor replaced. Radiator replaced under warranty. _________ Total 10,648.73
If you were to simply replace the engine ($4000 + $1645 labor) and do nothing else, the job can be done for half of what I spent. But I guarantee, at a minimum, the engine cradle bushings and sway bar links are probably going to need replaced as well as some hoses and belts, etc. There is also the cost of oil, spark plugs and antifreeze as well to consider.
I hope this information proves useful to anyone considering an undertaking such as this. It can be very costly. The key is picking the right supplier for your new motor. I cannot say enough good things about the the engine from CCC. Now at 2,667 miles, it has proven itself to be far and away, a superior engine to the first replacement motor. If only I had gone there first . . .
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Post by plato442 on Apr 24, 2014 23:17:01 GMT -6
you know there is no substitute for cubic inches, as the old saying goes. I believe the saying is "There's no replacement for displacement. If I were to run across another 2G Aurora for cheap, instead of the 4.6 swap again, I'd be interested in a 5.3 swap!
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