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Post by mission008 on Sept 22, 2005 10:18:28 GMT -6
A buddy of mine has an 01 Supercharged Grand Prix. We haven't run our cars against eachother yet, but we have raced other cars and beat them by about the same amount. He has a reprogrammed computer, intake, downpipe, exhaust, smaller supercharger pully, and suspension, and my car is stock. I am not at all planning on beating the car, but I was wondering how well some of you think I could hang with it, and How well do they compare if both of them are stock?
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Post by Aurora40 on Sept 22, 2005 10:23:41 GMT -6
That GTP sounds like a low 14's, high 13's capable car. You won't hang with it.  |
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Post by BlackButy on Sept 22, 2005 10:39:43 GMT -6
stock you would. I have beat both four door and two door but with mods (the pully is like 50lb ft alone!) I say no. Maybe race him on the highway. It would be close then.
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Post by mission008 on Sept 22, 2005 11:41:56 GMT -6
Yeah, I wasn't expecting to beat him anyway. I know stock I could hang at least, if not beat him. I'll try him on the highway....
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Post by Custom88 on Sept 22, 2005 13:54:17 GMT -6
even when both cars are stock you wouldn't hang with him. That GTP should slaughter you actually..
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Post by mission008 on Sept 22, 2005 14:30:29 GMT -6
Custom88 - I could agree with the fact the the GTP will beat the Aurora 4.0 although I dont agree that it would slaughter it.....The GTP has 240hp @ 5200rpm and 280tq @ 3200rpm, while the 4.0 Aurora makes 250hp @ 5800rpm and 260tq @ 4400rpms ......Also the Aurora is 3880lbs, and the GTP is 3414lbs. So although the GTP has better numbers for a 1/4 mile race it wouldnt be as big of a difference as you may think by looking at the numbers. I guess I'll just have to race him to find out and see.
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Post by kobalt on Sept 22, 2005 15:44:57 GMT -6
stock you'll loose but not by much - modded he will dust you  |
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Post by stevensolds on Sept 22, 2005 17:38:23 GMT -6
I know what you mean mission. I told dan one time that I had hung really well with a stock 2001 GTP and he never believed me. I didnt get a chance to film it, but we did it from a dig, which i SUCKED. Then we did the 35-110 and i hung pretty close to his rear quarterpanel. There is no way i could have beat em, but I got told I did pretty well. There was also 2 people in that car though.
But he said he heard my exhaust screaming the whole time with the windows down, lol. A lot of ppl say that.
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Post by Custom88 on Sept 22, 2005 21:37:34 GMT -6
well, hey. All I know is I've driven a classic 4.0 and a second gen 4.0 and neither felt as fast as the Regal GS I drove. (same car as the GTP. the GS is actually slightly heavier, too.) I didn't mean he'd slaughter you when both stock, I meant with his mods he would now.
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Post by 95mushroom on Sept 23, 2005 1:57:25 GMT -6
My one run-in was at the track with a 2-door GTP. I ran a 16.2 and he ran a 15.4. The only other 2nd Gen. time I know of is Bob's at a 14.8. So an unmodded 2nd Gen would be dead even with what I heard as a stock GTP.
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Post by Custom88 on Sept 23, 2005 5:21:52 GMT -6
A stock GTP is capable of high 14's on a stock car with a good driver. The GTP has traction issues so it takes someone who can handle it off the line to run a good time. The Aurora is basically stomp the pedal and go because you won't get tire spin. the GTP you have to learn how to launch or your times are going to suck. 15.4 is what stock Bonnevilles run and they are much heavier thant he GTP. I actually have even seen a Bonneville run 14's in totally stock form. It's all in the launch and an experienced driver who knows what they're doing. |
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Post by mission008 on Sept 23, 2005 5:52:52 GMT -6
Interesting... So I guess modded GTP wins easily over 4.0, and stock GTP would be close race with 4.0.
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Post by SupaStealth on Sept 23, 2005 8:37:20 GMT -6
when i was at the track last year, a 98 GTP got a time of 15.2 at 91 mph, my time was 15.7 at 89.9mph, his car was stock, mine had exhaust and intake. although he had 40,000 less miles and a quarter tank of gas when mine was full, but thats still a big difference.
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Post by Aurora40 on Sept 23, 2005 8:39:27 GMT -6
My one run-in was at the track with a 2-door GTP. I ran a 16.2 and he ran a 15.4. The only other 2nd Gen. time I know of is Bob's at a 14.8. So an unmodded 2nd Gen would be dead even with what I heard as a stock GTP. Well, of course that was my best time ever. This was some guys time on that particular day. My car also ran a best of 16.01 or something on a different day. You just won't see that time show up in my signature. While I haven't ever lined them up, I do feel like on the right day, the Aurora would take the Regal. Cooler weather seems to help the Aurora more than the Regal. But the Regal is bone-stock. I do think it would be fun to take it down the strip sometime, though. Keep in mind the Aurora is heavier than either the Regal, GTP, or Bonneville SSEi. Trim 2-300 lbs off the Aurora, and it might be a bit more evenly matched. An Aurora V8 in an Intrigue would be pretty cool. |
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Post by macadamiaman on Sept 23, 2005 8:51:38 GMT -6
Well, the newer Intrigues had the 3.5L V6 - which is only 35hp less than the Aurora V8... and as a much lighter car those intruges were in the 6.xx sec 0-60 range right?
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Post by scottydl on Sept 23, 2005 11:00:41 GMT -6
Well, the newer Intrigues had the 3.5L V6 - which is only 35hp less than the Aurora V8... and as a much lighter car those intruges were in the 6.xx sec 0-60 range right? That seems too quick... Here's a link I found of many 0-60 and 1/4 mile times on stock vehicles. Of the cars we've discussed: 1995 Oldsmobile Aurora 8.2 16.3 1998 Oldsmobile Intrigue 7.7 15.8 2000 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP 6.8 15.1 Sadly enough, the stock Aurora is slowest... and the GTP should easily beat it, but that all depends on the skill of the driver as Dan mentioned. |
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Post by Aurora40 on Sept 23, 2005 11:31:11 GMT -6
The 1998 Intrigue had a 3800, not the 3.5L. That said, I don't see Intrigues doing 6.5s 0-60's stock. I think an Aurora V8 would take the 'trigue. Or maybe I should say, I think *my* Aurora V8 would take a 'trigue. Also, 35 peak horsepower, and the bump all across the curve from the 4.0 vs 3.5 is not small. I think an Intrigue with the 4.0L V8 would be pretty awesome. Then imagine with a 4.6L... |
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Post by kobalt on Sept 23, 2005 22:16:38 GMT -6
I test drove two GTPs when shopping for my Aurora replacement and none felt as quick as my former 98 Seville. A 4.6 equipped Aurora would have little trouble out-doing a stock GTP.
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Post by 95mushroom on Sept 23, 2005 23:16:48 GMT -6
I test drove two GTPs when shopping for my Aurora replacement and none felt as quick as my former 98 Seville. A 4.6 equipped Aurora would have little trouble out-doing a stock GTP. Yea, even though the S/Cs can be easily modded, my pick would be for the 4.6Ls. That's a 275hp version, imagine how quick the 300hp STS version must be. Wait, I have a vid of a stock one (96) running 14.6. The newer ones are even faster. |
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Post by stevensolds on Sept 24, 2005 9:03:26 GMT -6
I would love to have the STS 4.6 (300hp) in my Aurora. If i ever blow the motor thats what I am doing, lol.
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Post by Custom88 on Sept 24, 2005 9:05:41 GMT -6
I love the 4.6 too. The one I drove in an Eldorado didn't seem to have any lack of torque that I can remember. It moved briskly and it was smoooth. I'm not so sure about fuel economy though? I only drove it about 10 miles.
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Post by JimW on Sept 24, 2005 16:55:56 GMT -6
I tried to hang with a modded 97 GTP on the hwy (friend of mine in MI), Dan, you'd know him as Sol. He just got to far ahead of me off a slow dig on the on ramp and I couldnt do it.
However, I have driven a stock 01 Regal GS, and it didnt seemingly have what the my Aurora had.
Grand Prixs are quick cars, and their owners know it. I guess thats the most frustrating part. If it says GTP on the door, just nod and smile...you cant dance with that car. GT though...go for it.
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Post by 95mushroom on Sept 24, 2005 17:39:53 GMT -6
One victory though for an Aurora over a GTP to tell about. The UCF car club met up Wed. night. First time I went. Anyway, there was a white GTP with exhaust, rims, stereo etc. We meet up on the top floor of one of the parking garages. He starts playing his systems, 2 JL 12" subs, I dunno what amp. I was like okay, that's decent, but something was rattling horribly. Even at lower volumes. He said it was the rear spoiler (AF), but sounded like the lock mechanism. A crowd gathered around. Then I went to my car and started playing mine. Easy win for the Aurora. Mine's louder, but it's so much more intense, you know, the way you 'feel' the sound in your chest. The Aurora is also "rattle" free. I use quotes, because it does rattle, but it's only the rear plate which is near impossible to stop from rattling other then permanently mounted it, and the rear trunk lid (when closed) and rear glass rattle too, but that's because they're trying to blow off/up. Just thought I share one victory for an Aurora over a GTP |
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Post by mission008 on Sept 25, 2005 9:35:41 GMT -6
I tried to hang with a modded 97 GTP on the hwy (friend of mine in MI), Dan, you'd know him as Sol. He just got to far ahead of me off a slow dig on the on ramp and I couldnt do it. However, I have driven a stock 01 Regal GS, and it didnt seemingly have what the my Aurora had. Grand Prixs are quick cars, and their owners know it. I guess thats the most frustrating part. If it says GTP on the door, just nod and smile...you cant dance with that car. GT though...go for it. Anybody can beat a GT! I beat one of those by a car length with my old 04 Civic Coupe! |
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Post by stevensolds on Sept 25, 2005 9:39:50 GMT -6
Shroom what amp/speakers combo do you have in that Aurora? How much did you spend to achieve it all?
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Post by 95mushroom on Sept 25, 2005 15:30:47 GMT -6
Shroom what amp/speakers combo do you have in that Aurora? How much did you spend to achieve it all? Just JL Audio speakers on the stock bose amp, but the subs are 2 04' Kicker CompVR 15". Supposedly the newer ones aren't as good. I think that might be BS. And the sub amp is a Kicker KX1200.1. The amp was $450 shipped, the subs were $239 shipped for both, about $75 in building supplies, $75 for the Pac-Audio interface, and $70 for the 0 ga Voodoo wiring kit. So about $900 for everything and we (my brother and I) did everything ourselves. Paid $230 for the front JL audio (TR650CXIs) speakers from Sound Advice and $75 for the rears (TR400CXIs). They decent speakers, but the stock amp is not nearly powerful enough to power them. |
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Post by Letitroll98 on Sept 26, 2005 21:50:38 GMT -6
One victory though for an Aurora over a GTP to tell about. The UCF car club met up Wed. night. First time I went. Anyway, there was a white GTP with exhaust, rims, stereo etc. We meet up on the top floor of one of the parking garages. He starts playing his systems, 2 JL 12" subs, I dunno what amp. I was like okay, that's decent, but something was rattling horribly. Even at lower volumes. He said it was the rear spoiler (AF), but sounded like the lock mechanism. A crowd gathered around. Then I went to my car and started playing mine. Easy win for the Aurora. Mine's louder, but it's so much more intense, you know, the way you 'feel' the sound in your chest. The Aurora is also "rattle" free. I use quotes, because it does rattle, but it's only the rear plate which is near impossible to stop from rattling other then permanently mounted it, and the rear trunk lid (when closed) and rear glass rattle too, but that's because they're trying to blow off/up. Just thought I share one victory for an Aurora over a GTP Well hats off to you for going up on an empty top floor of a parking garage to blast your system. It should be the only place they are allowed to play. Maybe out in some sand dunes in AZ. I was blasted so bad by some punk greaser in a convertible VW bug yesterday while walking into the grocery store that if I'd had a cart with me I'd have sent it flying into his ride. I did give him a one fingered wave letting him know I thought he was #1. I'm going to get a little bitty stealth BB gun and torque the window of these public nuisances. With all that vibration one little pop should shatter the whole windshield. Destroyed by their own devices! Ha ha aha aha hah hah ha ha...... |
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Post by 95mushroom on Sept 26, 2005 22:24:56 GMT -6
Well hats off to you for going up on an empty top floor of a parking garage to blast your system. It should be the only place they are allowed to play. Maybe out in some sand dunes in AZ. I was blasted so bad by some punk greaser in a convertible VW bug yesterday while walking into the grocery store that if I'd had a cart with me I'd have sent it flying into his ride. I did give him a one fingered wave letting him know I thought he was #1. I'm going to get a little bitty stealth BB gun and torque the window of these public nuisances. With all that vibration one little pop should shatter the whole windshield. Destroyed by their own devices! Ha ha aha aha hah hah ha ha......  ? Sorry if you been rubbed the wrong the way before with idiots. They're really stupid for doing so. I like to say I use more intelligence, but there's some disagreement? It was on top of a parking garage, not in it, at 10 p.m. in the center of campus when there's no one around. In fact, there's campus police (not security, they have all their powers) below us. I'm sure if there was a problem they would have gladly paid a visit. |
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Post by stevensolds on Sept 26, 2005 23:46:27 GMT -6
Dan why did you get blasted by idiots? Were you shaking your head at them for blasting a ton of loud music lol. My friend has 3 12" subs in the whole back seat of an Eagle Talon - it is 10,000 watts of bass total...LOL.
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