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Post by scottydl on Oct 10, 2005 13:26:14 GMT -6
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Post by 95rora on Oct 10, 2005 15:00:44 GMT -6
I dont know man, ive looked at those everytime ive been on ebay and have often wondered myself. On one hand yeah, they could be a great deal and really good quality breaks, just dont have a popular name brand on them. On the other hand they could be trash. It doesnt seem as though anybody has bought them before on this board. I'd be tempted to say that they might not be the best thing to buy buts thats just one guys opinion.
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Post by Custom88 on Oct 10, 2005 15:30:22 GMT -6
I haven't heard of this company before and even when Googling I ddin't come up with anything.. I'd pass personally..
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Post by scottydl on Oct 10, 2005 15:56:04 GMT -6
I haven't heard of this company before and even when Googling I ddin't come up with anything.. I'd pass personally.. I'm leaning that way, although I *hate* to pass up a good price. I know the drilled/slotted rotors that Letitroll98 bought are resurfaced cheapos, and he's been happy so far. I was hoping the same for these... |
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Post by stevensolds on Oct 10, 2005 22:47:50 GMT -6
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo get brembo dude. they are like 40 bucks more than OEM a set. Of course, i forgot to get PROPER pads. lol. I dont even notice that much difference. They just dont lock up as much. With my OEM rotors, they locked up and just kept skidding out in rainy weather. That was the one video i had on here i think, where i came like 2 inches from a tree when my brother was filming. i cant remember if i posted that or not.
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Post by Letitroll98 on Oct 12, 2005 19:14:02 GMT -6
These are OEM replacement rotors scotty. And not bad looking ones at that. I'm pretty sure the 86641 number on the box is the Aurora application, so they at least took a picture of the Aurora rotor instead of just any generic 5 bolt rotor. At $20 each plus shipping you can hardly go wrong if you just want replacement quality. There are several companies that manufacture these rotors on a spec basis, then many resellers, including Ebay guys, pass them on to us. If you dig enough you can find the cross reference numbers with each manufacturer and buy direct yourself. Thats all the Ebay guys do. Brembo, Performance Friction, EBC, Porterfield, Baer, Hawk, Ferodo, Rofren, these are the top names in brake parts. Although rotors are important, pads, fluid, and lines will make the more of a difference in braking potential. Higher quality rotors last longer and stay warp free under more severe conditions, quality pads stop better. Stainless braided lines and top quality fluid give you that rock hard pedal feel that you notice in Porsches, etc. The best guys I've dealt with are www.raceshopper.com/index.shtml At least go to the site and read their opinions on brakes. Very real and down to earth guys, with doctorates in braking physics. Oh, and ceramic pads are NOT better. They are quieter and mostly dust free, but don't brake as well as ferro carbon pads. I got good results from Hawk HPS pads, but there are other great companies as well. |
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Post by oldsauroraman1 on Oct 12, 2005 19:23:03 GMT -6
Well, Ceramic is surely better than the old non-ceramics. But, like you say, the Ferro-Carbon are much better. :-)
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Post by stevensolds on Oct 12, 2005 19:49:27 GMT -6
Dan, you mentioned raceshopper. I got some really good quotes I am going to use for the rears when they get replaced. I could only afford the fronts. And last time i got brakes (only got the pads) for the rear, they were cheapy ones, and they are already squealing. For the Diamond Cross Slotted or whatever, here are the qoutes:
submit_by = svtmustang@comcast.net
>rotor_application = Diamond Slotted
>fitment = Rear Rotors Only
>vehicle_make = Oldsmobile
>vehicle_model = Aurora
>model_year = 1995
>engine_size = 4.0L V8
>drivetrain = Front Wheel Drive
>other_info =
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Hi Steve,
Thanks for the interest!
1995 OLDSMOBILE AURORA
(front) Diamond Slotted $173.21/pair
(rear) Diamond Slotted $154.77/pair
I am gonna get these for the rears. I shouldve done this for the fronts, I just didnt think they would be good or something, i dunno. Oh well. The rear brakes arent even used that much i dont think anyway, but im still gonna get them. they will look a hell of a lot better too.
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Post by Letitroll98 on Oct 12, 2005 21:02:03 GMT -6
Yeah, for a quick example when shopping for my pads I talked to one of the reps at RaceShopper and was looking for the best ceramic pad. He confirmed that the Hawk Ceramics were a nice product and confirmed that he didn't like the Akebono much more than the Raybestos, as I had heard elsewhere (very diplomatically). He could have just sold me then, but suggested I consider ferro carbons after talking about what I was looking for. They had great performance and fairly low dusting and noise, nearly comparable with ceramics. He confirmed Performance Friction made a great pad with even better friction quotients than the Hawk, but although it was cheaper, it threw a lot of dust and I wouldn't be happy with that. Well versed with an interest in making me a happy customer, I ordered. Then he checked and got me a free shipping deal with a drop ship from the manufacturers warehouse. Yeah, I like these guys.
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Post by oldsauroraman1 on Oct 12, 2005 21:08:19 GMT -6
Man, wished I'd known that before I replaced mine a couple months ago. I have Bendix Ceramics and they work fine, but it's always nicer to have top-of-the line on the brakes.
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Post by Letitroll98 on Oct 12, 2005 22:46:15 GMT -6
There's nothing wrong with ceramics, they meet the design goal of low noise, low dusting that was intended in the Aurora. It is an Olds after all, can't muss the blue hair. The ferro carbon formulas will give you better stopping power, but with somewhat more, or a lot more, dust depending upon brand and formulation. You also get that metallic noise sometimes when turning or just starting out in the AM. So it's not a bed of roses, just choices.
Ceramic is the binder in ceramic brakes, the stopping power is the metal content combined with the binder. The amount and type of each in all pads vary widely. Many ceramic pads have hardly any ceramic in them. Since there is no real governing body, you need to rely on the opinion of experts unless you want to change pads daily like autocrossers do (their blogs are great for info). But the main reason I'm down on ceramics is they are the most full of it on the market. There are good ones like Hawk and others, but a lot of possers too, almost anything can be called ceramic.
All brake pads are formulations from just a couple of bulk material manufacturers. Like you can get about a zillion custom formulations from Porterfield, just tell them what heat range and wear qualities you want and they'll get it for you. But they are a race car supplier so price becomes less of an objection. For the mass market, which is just fine for Auroras, I like Hawk, EBC and Performance Friction for pads, and Baer, EBC and Brembo for rotors. Motul or Red Line for fluid. But that's not all I've ever used.
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Post by TJM on Oct 13, 2005 7:31:39 GMT -6
be carefull of cheap standard rotors - they can't handle the heat and will go out soon after installation.
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Post by Custom88 on Oct 13, 2005 7:50:32 GMT -6
so what are your opinions on the Raybestos ceramics? I don't know what is on my car now, but the stopping power is superb and I get virtually no dusting.
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Post by Aurora40 on Oct 13, 2005 8:28:33 GMT -6
so what are your opinions on the Raybestos ceramics? I don't know what is on my car now, but the stopping power is superb and I get virtually no dusting. I agree. At least on my car, the braking power is more than a match for the tires. And the dusting is low. I will most likely buy GM/AC replacements when the time comes. Where's that video of Steven commenting on my brakes? LOL... |
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Post by oldsauroraman1 on Oct 13, 2005 10:09:12 GMT -6
There's nothing wrong with ceramics, they meet the design goal of low noise, low dusting that was intended in the Aurora. It is an Olds after all, can't muss the blue hair. The ferro carbon formulas will give you better stopping power, but with somewhat more, or a lot more, dust depending upon brand and formulation. You also get that metallic noise sometimes when turning or just starting out in the AM. So it's not a bed of roses, just choices. Ceramic is the binder in ceramic brakes, the stopping power is the metal content combined with the binder. The amount and type of each in all pads vary widely. Many ceramic pads have hardly any ceramic in them. Since there is no real governing body, you need to rely on the opinion of experts unless you want to change pads daily like autocrossers do (their blogs are great for info). But the main reason I'm down on ceramics is they are the most full of it on the market. There are good ones like Hawk and others, but a lot of possers too, almost anything can be called ceramic. All brake pads are formulations from just a couple of bulk material manufacturers. Like you can get about a zillion custom formulations from Porterfield, just tell them what heat range and wear qualities you want and they'll get it for you. But they are a race car supplier so price becomes less of an objection. For the mass market, which is just fine for Auroras, I like Hawk, EBC and Performance Friction for pads, and Baer, EBC and Brembo for rotors. Motul or Red Line for fluid. But that's not all I've ever used. Thanks again Dan.  I'm happy again with my ceramic Bendix brake pads. ;D |
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Post by scottydl on Oct 13, 2005 15:15:12 GMT -6
Letitroll98, apparently RaceShopper can't post their prices online (because they are SO LOW  ), but could you tell me what you paid for your Hawk ferro-carbon pads? I'm willing to spend a little more on quality pads, if I can save on the rotors. |
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Post by Letitroll98 on Oct 13, 2005 19:28:37 GMT -6
Raybestos and Bendix are fine products from good companies. Nothing wrong at all in picking a product based on low dusting and quiet behavior. I prefer a more aggressive set up.
Therefore Aurora40 and I continue to disagree on this point. I believe his contention is that at 10/10ths applications the stock brakes would overpower the stopping power of the tires and therefore any improvement is wasted. I couldn't disagree more. My basic argument revolves around the observation that we almost never brake at 10/10ths and braking improvements will be felt throughout 90% of the range in 99% of the instances. Even at maximum application, you don't get there immediately, so you will notice the improved stopping distances taking effect up to the point of lockup (or ABS engagement). I back this up with the empirical evidence that great brakes just feel friggin fabulous, and on the common sense observation of the other 99.999% of Corvette owners, who like good brakes on board when travelling at double digit speeds. ;D
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Post by Letitroll98 on Oct 13, 2005 19:40:20 GMT -6
Letitroll98, apparently RaceShopper can't post their prices online (because they are SO LOW ), but could you tell me what you paid for your Hawk ferro-carbon pads? I'm willing to spend a little more on quality pads, if I can save on the rotors. I don't have the exact price as in myGMlink page I have it combined with labor, rotor and pad cost. But from memory I think about $60 for the fronts and somewhat less for the rears, like $55 or something. But from memory again they were comparable to, or a bit less than, the TireRack.com price which is advertized. Why not just call them? There's no high pressure sales at all, just good advice. You could also ask about using ceramics, maybe they would recommend them based on your priorities. Their prices are competative, but these are not low ball price slammers. If you read through their site they'll tell you that and if you want to go low ball be their guest, but don't come back crying to them for advise on how to fix your messed up brakes. ;D That's what I like about 'em. Straight shooters that tell you the best way to go, and if you don't want their advise, no problem, via con dios amigo. |
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I'm happy again with my ceramic Bendix brake pads. ;D
), but could you tell me what you paid for your Hawk ferro-carbon pads? I'm willing to spend a little more on quality pads, if I can save on the rotors.