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Post by Marc on Oct 1, 2005 16:57:12 GMT -6
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Post by scottydl on Oct 1, 2005 22:01:59 GMT -6
Good to hear. Ejection from vehicles (due to lack of seat belt usage) is easily the #1 cause of death in motor vehicle crashes.
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Post by TheLoveThatNeverDies on Oct 2, 2005 4:38:25 GMT -6
I guess I got the memo late  I just got a ticket a couple weeks ago for ashing my cig out the window WHILE not wearing my seatbelt. $850 total - OUCH  |
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Post by scottydl on Oct 2, 2005 15:34:43 GMT -6
Smoking AND no seatbelt? Geez man, you're playing with fire, hehe.
Seriously tho, sorry to hear about the major fine... certainly seems excessive. Were the two offenses somehow combined to make the overall outcome worse?
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Post by TheLoveThatNeverDies on Oct 2, 2005 22:10:35 GMT -6
Nah, both acts are pure stupidity and I pretty much deserved the ticket (or at least a good slap in the face ) I do think ashing out the window is a pretty petty thing to nail me for $450 on, it's not like I threw my whole cig out the window. Nevertheless, "discharging from a cigarette" falls under the same vehicle code as discarding a cigarette, so they are treated the same under the law  Since it's brush fire season, I'm not even going to try to fight it. The two violations didn't compound to make either worse since they happened simultaneously. However, if I would've had previous points on my record, the severity of the infraction (and therefore the penalty thereof) would have been escalated. I was charged the standard "bail": $450 for the cig and $400 for the seatbelt. It sucks, but I try to put it in perspective by remembering that $850 is nominal in comparison to the cumulative fines of all the stuff I've pulled over the years and didn't get caught for. |
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Post by scottydl on Oct 4, 2005 20:15:55 GMT -6
Well at least you have a decent attitude about it (seriously)! But still, $450 essentially for littering and $400 for a seatbelt?! In Illinois, no seatbelt is a $55 petty offense (no points on license or insurance impact) and tossing a cig out the window wouldn't probably be enforced at all... unless it landed on a squad car. |
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Post by oldsauroraman1 on Oct 4, 2005 21:09:17 GMT -6
WOW! Over $800 for that! Choke!
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Post by stevensolds on Oct 6, 2005 18:24:44 GMT -6
California's officials are retarded. I wouldnt even pay the fine to be honest. I wouldve probably smack talked the cop back to no end. I know i wouldnt be able to control myself in that situation right now. No way can most people just accept it and say "OK", unless they are very politically correct and tight. But then they would be wearing their belts in the first place
. Why dont the damn cops go and find the drug dealers and gangbangers and stuff and leave speeding motorists stuff like this ALONE. People that are good drivers shouldb e allowed to speed etc.
Sorry to hear about that, but if i were you i would still fight it.
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Post by BuccaneersFan on Oct 6, 2005 19:02:20 GMT -6
So in CA you get a $450 fine for flicking the ashes off of your cigarette? Is that just because you did it out the window of your car or would you get the same ticket if you did that somewhere else? Its already burned, thats like throwing dirt on the ground as far as I'm concerned. I'm sorry, I hope this doesn't offend you TheLoveThatNeverDies, but CA is got to be one of the most screwed up states in America when it comes to its laws. $400 for a seat belt fine, what moron came up with that. In FL a seat belt violation is $30 for adults and $60 for kids.
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Post by BuccaneersFan on Oct 6, 2005 19:24:45 GMT -6
Why dont the darn cops go and find the drug dealers and gangbangers and stuff and leave speeding motorists stuff like this ALONE. People that are good drivers shouldb e allowed to speed etc. Why mess with a drug dealer or gangbanger when you can give out 2 tickets totaling $850. It's all about money in the end, it would cost the state money to prosecute a drug dealer , on the other hand it takes one cop about 30 minutes to make $850 revenue for the state or county or both. I agree with you though, I would have gone ballistic if a cop tried to give me a $400 dollar ticket for not wearing a seat belt. Think about this, an average of 115 people die every day from car accident deaths. An estimated 1095 people die per day caused directly by cigarette smoking. And they're worried about people not wearing their seat belts.  |
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Post by scottydl on Oct 7, 2005 9:40:23 GMT -6
Let's not turn this thread into a cop-bashing bonanza... the problem goes way higher than that, and most cops out there are doing the job that they are told to do. Laws are made at the legislative level by politicians who want to please their constituants, so start writing your congressmen if you have complaints. |
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Post by oldsauroraman1 on Oct 7, 2005 9:45:30 GMT -6
Exactly Scotty. The politicians make the laws and then those that enforce them get egg on their face for doing so. Most officers of the law are pretty decent folks and have our protection and safety in mind. :-)
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Post by BuccaneersFan on Oct 7, 2005 14:15:02 GMT -6
Whose bashing cops? |
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Post by stevensolds on Oct 8, 2005 17:46:51 GMT -6
Nobody is...
I was just thinking though, $800 couldve gotten you a NICE set of wheels. Just rip up the ticket and tell them to stuff themselves.
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Post by scottydl on Oct 8, 2005 19:13:39 GMT -6
Just rip up the ticket and tell them to stuff themselves. Good idea Steven... I'm sure that's what you would do. But I have a feeling the resulting warrant, arrest, and court case would end up costing MUCH more than the original fine. |
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Post by Letitroll98 on Oct 9, 2005 10:15:31 GMT -6
You know, I don't want a cop bashing thread either, but I disagree with the "most cops a great guys with our welfare in mind" thought. The guys who are like that are all firemen and paramedics. I find most patrol cops have serious personality problems that lead them to the position. Control freaks, overcompensators, and sublimators are rampant. The ones that aren't are fast tracked to higher positions such as detective and chief where the public at large doesn't encounter them. And the guys who are normal are so disgusted by the job that they just don't care anymore. So I think it best to say "Yes sir, no sir" to beat cops in all situations in order to avoid confrontational circumstances where they may become unstable.
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Post by BuccaneersFan on Oct 11, 2005 16:32:27 GMT -6
You know, I don't want a cop bashing thread either, but I disagree with the "most cops a great guys with our welfare in mind" thought. The guys who are like that are all firemen and paramedics. I find most patrol cops have serious personality problems that lead them to the position. Control freaks, overcompensators, and sublimators are rampant. The ones that aren't are fast tracked to higher positions such as detective and chief where the public at large doesn't encounter them. And the guys who are normal are so disgusted by the job that they just don't care anymore. So I think it best to say "Yes sir, no sir" to beat cops in all situations in order to avoid confrontational circumstances where they may become unstable. This doesn't happen often, but I agree with you. |
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Post by oldsauroraman1 on Oct 12, 2005 19:17:10 GMT -6
Well, there is one addition you do need to make Dan, Female Cops can have the same failures. :-)
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Post by Letitroll98 on Oct 16, 2005 17:10:42 GMT -6
Yes, but getting back on topic, they always find that I'm wearing my seatbelt when they pull me over. I'm not so afraid of tickets or accidents as I am of the air bag. That thing will kill you in a minor accident if you don't have your belt on. Well, maybe not kill you, but they can really mess you up.
My neighbor's wife was killed a block from our condos. Just running up to the store with her sister in law, t-boned at the first light in a residential neighborhood while not wearing her seatbelt. The sister in law had been wearing her belt and had a badly broken leg that the paramedics gave the most attention to. His wife seemed fine and insisted the sister be attended to before her. She died of internal injuries in 10 minutes. He just hasn't really ever recovered from it.
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Post by scottydl on Oct 16, 2005 18:36:11 GMT -6
That would certainly be a tough pill to swallow. Especially since it could have possibly been avoided if she had been buckled, which I'm sure is your point. A co-worker of mine was killed earlier this year too, rolled his SUV on the interstate and was ejected... no doubt his chances of survival would have been a lot higher with his belt on. Despite all the obvious research on the subject, many people still seem to be ignorant and/or careless in buckling up even on short trips. For the record Letitroll, I'm glad you're not one of them!  |
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I just got a ticket a couple weeks ago for ashing my cig out the window WHILE not wearing my seatbelt. $850 total - OUCH 
Since it's brush fire season, I'm not even going to try to fight it. The two violations didn't compound to make either worse since they happened simultaneously. However, if I would've had previous points on my record, the severity of the infraction (and therefore the penalty thereof) would have been escalated. I was charged the standard "bail": $450 for the cig and $400 for the seatbelt. It sucks, but I try to put it in perspective by remembering that $850 is nominal in comparison to the cumulative fines of all the stuff I've pulled over the years and didn't get caught for. 
