Question About Lucas Oil Additive aka Engine Honey

[intheb0x]

well ive used lucas "engine honey" on all my previous cars and they all loved it. i even always stick a bottle of it in my 04 nissan every oil change since 10k miles. anyone experiance this stuff with there aurora? i was thinking of including it with my next oil change. reason why its called engine honey is because its real thick and goupy with a yellow color.

[aurora2001tan]

lol

thats funny , those additives are ******* and meant to rip you off. Synthetic oil does more for any engine than any HONEY ADDITIVE can hope to do. Just use syn oil and forget about it.

[intheb0x]

i dont know if there useless. u must be thinking of that as seen on tv crap.
this stuff works. everyone i know uses it. even mechanics recommend it.
i would like to know if anyone has used it on there aurora.

[Marc]

Page 6-19 of the 2001 Owner's manual says " Don't add anything to your oil. The recommended oils with the starburst symbol are all you will need for good performance and engine protection."

[Letitroll98]

Don't put anything in your oil that you don't know the complete chemical composition of. Motor oils are mixtures of mineral and/or synthetic group oils with complex add packs of about 12-15 additives. If you don't know how the chemical you're putting in your oil will react, don't do it. There are plenty of threads here about Auto Rx and Valvoline Synpower. Lucas, MMO and Motor Honey are low cost junk products. However, do whatever you like.

[aurora2001tan]

that was my point. Syn oil is full of approved additives that are lab tested to work with each other. Adding the other bull**** is just that.
To ech his own erratic insyncrosees I always say. However if you want some enlightment about the cons in the world. I recommend a top seller titled. BULL**** . I havent read it but caught the interview with the author. You wont believe the amount of worthless things out there on the market and the amount of people who believe in them.

We would be interested in a lab sample results of your used oil. Just ask for a sample kit here. www.blackstone-labs.com/

Its only 20 bucks.

[Aurora40]

intheb0x said:

this stuff works. everyone i know uses it. even mechanics recommend it.

Just curious, how do you know it works? What's different about your car than if you'd just used regular quality oil this whole time?

[mysqlquery]

Heh, I was gonna ask about rislone, but, I've always felt the same way about oil additives.... It's all snake oil....

[intheb0x]

well i had a 87 cavalier that had a slight knock or lifter noise to it.
the lucas took the noise away and ever since the engine ahs been much quieter and the lifter noise has not returned.
my brother used it on his 96 impala ss and says the engine runs smoother now.
ever went to a advance auto parts or any auto store that had the little display for lucas oil set up with them little plastic gears? one side has regular oil and the other side has oil with luicas added u can spin the gears with a little metal handle a crank and when the gears spin the gears with the lucas as much easier to spin and less gritty feeling. they roll so smooth.
the ones without the lucas are rough and more gritty feeling when u spin them.
not all oil additives may work. but lucas has been in the scene now for sometime and is proving there stuff is not junk.
the lucas fuel injector cleaner works great also.
i will be using it on my next change.

[scottydl]

Point is that all those "results" are subjective to the users, unless they have been objectively lab-tested in some way. There is psychology behind it... it you buy it, and you expect it to make a difference, then chances are you will notice a difference. A variation of the "placebo effect". Don't base your buying decision on a retail demo created by the company (such as that little gear box you mentioned), as it will obviously be weighted in favor of the product they want to sell.

[centennialman]

I use Lucas top lube and have been using it for 100000Km+. So far, so good. I also use Tufoil at each oil change.

www.tufoil.com

From their web site:

Tufoil is in the Guinness Book of World Records as "The World's Most Efficient Lubricant." The Canadian Government's Kapuskasing lab reports significant fuel savings and easier cold starts for gas and diesel engines. With fuel prices rocketing, better mileage is important. One car manufacturer (OEM) is using Tufoil in their factory on machines.

Yah, I know. But not in their cars. I can report this, however: The engine runs as smoothly and strongly as it ever did, at 171000Km. Maybe more so. Like a fine wine, it appears to have improved with age. Is it because of the Tufoil? Maybe. I'm shooting for 1/2Million Km, Tufoil and all.

[aurora2001tan]

What do engine builders do? Well depends but if I had a engine with miles I wouldnt pray for an additive to make up for loose clearances. I would go for a high volume oil pump.
High-Volume & High-Pressure Oil Pumps
In applications where more oil flow is desired either to increase oil flow or pressure for better bearing lubrication and cooling, an oil pump with longer or larger gears may be installed. The physically larger surface area of the gears pushes more oil through the pump at the same rpm than a stock pump. A high-volume oil pump typically flows 20 to 25% more oil than a stock pump. The increase in oil flow produces an increase in oil pressure at idle, which helps compensate for increased bearing clearances. Consequently, some people may install a high-volume pump in a high-mileage engine in an attempt to restore normal oil pressure. But oil isn't metal, and the only real cure for low oil pressure is to replace worn bearings and restore normal clearances.

High-pressure oil pumps are another option. A high-pressure pump contains a stiffer relief valve spring that does not open until a higher pressure is reached (75 psi or higher). The actual flow rate of a high-pressure pump may be no different than a stock pump, or it may be higher if longer gears are used. Either way, the pump will increase the system oil pressure reading at high rpm when the pump is working hard, but it won't have any affect on idle pressure when the pump is turning slowly.

A high-volume or high-pressure oil pump may be recommended in engines where bearing clearances are looser than normal, in engines where an auxiliary external oil cooler has been added to improve oil cooling and in racing engines where a oil accumulator has been installed.

[webenergy]

Heh,

I've used Seafoam and all I can say is WOW! Now, I only put 1/8 of a can mind you because that's all I need. And, you only do it like twice a year maximum. It cleans the seals, and gunk in the engine. It'll smoke a bit but afterwards the car runs a little smoother. Other than that I wouldn't put anything in the car, especially a bottle of Lucas, or slick 50, or anything else.

[lanceslambos]

i wouldnt use it b/c its so thick that it might starve the heads. its really meant to increase compression on worn out motors, if your engine is good and tight whats the point? besides the manual says dont add anything to the engine oil and i have never seen that in a manual before. perhaps it could mess up the oil pump.

[KliffsAurora]

I would say that the stuff works but I really wouldn't depend on it yet. If your car keeps chuggin along like mine you might wanna think about it at around 200,000 miles. I use the Lucas Oil Stabilizer, Fuel Treatments, Power Steering, and Transmission stuff all the time in mine. I HAVE noticed a differance in performance, driveability, and overall quietness. I have a transmission that doesn't wanna shift and I added a half a bottle of the Lucas stuff and it shifts great now.

[BlackButy]

I have used Lucas and never experienced a problem, except my oil leak pretty much went away? But I havent used it in a long time, mainly because I have heard of it foaming and practically separating from the oil itself. So to each there own, but I wont use it again. Sea foam on the other hand is an awsome product. I have never used it in an automobile engine but it works wonders on 2 cycle marine engines where they experience a ton of carbon.

[mjh48059aa]

It seems that there's plenty of folks out there that rave about Sea Foam, so I gave it a shot. I disconnected the power brake vacuum hose, stuck a funnel on it, poured half a can of Sea Foam down the funnel while the engine was running, shut it off for about five minutes or so, and then started it back up after I reattached the vacuum hose to the power brake booster. Smoked like the devil out the rear end for a few minutes, but after that, it idled a lot smoother. It also stopped that little bit of surging where the RPMs would vary by about 100 per minute while idling. That is something I couldn't completely cure at first by spraying down the throttle body with TB cleaner, by regapping the spark plugs, and by dismantling and cleaning out thoroughly the Idle Air Control Motor. As for the rest, I emptied into the gas tank to help clean out the fuel injectors, though I'm not entirely convinced it will be effective this way.

As for using Lucas, this link has convinced me why using that stuff is a bad idea.
www.bobistheoilguy.com/images/lucas/lucas.htm

[centennialman]

mjh48059aa said:

As for using Lucas, this link has convinced me why using that stuff is a bad idea.
www.bobistheoilguy.com/images/lucas/lucas.htm

Whatever. Bob's first problem is that he is not running the oil at operating temperature. Bob's second problem is that he introduced the Lucas into oil that was already foamy in his first test. Bobs's third problem is that he is not an accredited test agency. His result looks like the oil is contaminated with water or antifreeze, not air.

For the record, I used Q-state completely non-dinosaur 5W-30 and Lucas stabilizer in the last change. At over 7000Km, there is no evidence of any foaming; I've checked the dip-stick and looked 'down the hole' of the filler cap. Nada. If all I had was mayonaise, I would have expected complete engine failure at this point. Instead, it's never run better. It's like there's a turbine under the hood.

I agree about the SeaFoam, so much that I purchased a gallon can of the stuff. I put it into the tank when it was close to empty,
and then drove it until there was only about a litre left. It made a big difference.

[mjh48059aa]

centennialman said:

mjh48059aa said:

As for using Lucas, this link has convinced me why using that stuff is a bad idea.
www.bobistheoilguy.com/images/lucas/lucas.htm

Whatever. Bob's first problem is that he is not running the oil at operating temperature. Bob's second problem is that he introduced the Lucas into oil that was already foamy in his first test. Bobs's third problem is that he is not an accredited test agency. His result looks like the oil is contaminated with water or antifreeze, not air.

Seriously? Well if so, then I guess I'll have to take everyone's word with a grain of salt then. For all anyone knows, it could've been water in that bottle of Lucas oil additive.

Nevertheless, I don't believe in oil additives, anyway. I just put in a decent brand of oil and change it every 3000 miles along with the filter. As for using Q-State, I've heard way too many bad stories of that stuff sludging up in people's engines while growing up. It's probably not that way anymore, but all the same, no thanks. I don't like to gamble with an expensive engine.