Contrails vs. Chemtrails *Many giant pics

[roara]

Wow, the mysterious ball then... hmm...any rash of UFO reports in the area? Strange things have been seen in broad daylight. You have to be the one looking up though to see them I always look up, every so often you see something cool.

[Randy T.]

Oct 15, 2011 12:17:00 GMT -6 roara said:

Planes circling high enough to leave a trail won't be landing at the airport nearby, they're stalling (most likely) because of traffic at the airport they're heading to. You should also be seeing lower level jets heading in to airports 100 mi away or more, descending gently and lining up on approach, or powering out. If they are loud(ish) they are under power and outbound. If they are somewhat quiet, they are inbound and descending.

I know all about the takeoff and landing sounds, the jets in Spfd used to shake the nails out of my house, lol. Helicopters flew over low all the time, too, one was so low my comp desk was literally bouncing up and down, it was sweet! I really was almost right at the end of the runway.

But, this is not the case here, I have never, and I don't like to use the word "never", heard a sound from any of these "chem" jets. The only ones I hear are the Stealths when they are messing around. Another thing I noticed yesterday is how slow they fly when they are spraying. I noticed this because I was watching a jet spray like normal, then he nailed it and shot across the sky at a very high rate of speed I don't normally see.

It has been pretty much clear today, I have seen 5 jets so far today, all sporting normal contrails.

[Randy T.]

Oct 15, 2011 12:25:05 GMT -6 roara said:

Wow, the mysterious ball then... hmm...any rash of UFO reports in the area? Strange things have been seen in broad daylight. You have to be the one looking up though to see them I always look up, every so often you see something cool.

Not that I am aware of, I have not really saw anything like this except for these pics I have taken lately. I have saw many weather balloons and other stuff that is easily identified. I have heard many ufo stories from people, but very little personal experience. I have saw a couple satellites act a little strange, but nothing too weird.

I keep my eyes in the sky all the time, too. I am a fan of Iridium flares, you can see those in the day and the night. I have a couple random pics of them I have caught, and a couple I have got intentionally. They are hard to even spot, much less get a picture of. I also like to track and watch the ISS, I like to think what it's like to be up there looking down at the earth.

www.heavens-above.com/

[roara]

If spraying is really going on for reasons that have to be kept secret, that pisses me off.

I'd love to live near an airport. I get the inbound flight path for PDX over my house but they're still at 2-3000 ft.

Gotta go do some WOT shift point checks, back later ;D

[Randy T.]

roara, So one of our basic debates is flight patterns, I think you have a lot of experience and you obviously know what you are talking about. As for me, I have lived about half my life right next to medium sized, city airports, so I too have a pretty good idea of plane patterns and actions.

I am very sure in saying that when they are spraying the trails, they are not doing normal patterns or actions. The best I can do is try to show pics and videos to tell my story, but I wish you could be here to witness it in person, to witness how they can take a clear day and turn the whole sky into clouds. How you will not see a jet for days, then see a hundred in one day. Whether they are contrails or chemtrails is the question, but either way those
clouds can't be good for us or the environment.

I do know for a fact that freaking about it on the internet all day is harmful. rofl I could be working on my Aurora.

[Randy T.]

Oct 15, 2011 13:00:05 GMT -6 roara said:

If spraying is really going on for reasons that have to be kept secret, that pisses me off.

I'd love to live near an airport. I get the inbound flight path for PDX over my house but they're still at 2-3000 ft.

Gotta go do some WOT shift point checks, back later ;D

It pisses me off, I wish I didn't even know about it. My purpose is to encourage people to look in the sky, to at least be aware of our surroundings. Form your own opinion and be aware.

“One, remember to look up at the stars and not down at your feet. Two, never give up work. Work gives you meaning and purpose and life is empty without it. Three, if you are lucky enough to find love, remember it is there and don't throw it away.”
― Stephen Hawking

It was sweet living by the airport, I loved it. I have always liked watching planes. The takeoffs never bothered me, I liked to climb to the top of my tree so I could get a full view of it. I waved at a lot of people in jets landing. lol I was the lone Ozarks welcome wagon.

[Randy T.]

Oct. 16 2011 it's a beautiful day today at least what I can see past the trails, lol. Here are some pics from 30 minutes ago.

[Randy T.]

Here is that same cloud, about 5 and then 10 miles to the west, about an hour later.

[roara]

Oct 15, 2011 12:45:20 GMT -6 Randy T. said:

Oct 15, 2011 12:25:05 GMT -6 roara said:

Wow, the mysterious ball then... hmm...any rash of UFO reports in the area? Strange things have been seen in broad daylight. You have to be the one looking up though to see them I always look up, every so often you see something cool.

Not that I am aware of, I have not really saw anything like this except for these pics I have taken lately. I have saw many weather balloons and other stuff that is easily identified. I have heard many ufo stories from people, but very little personal experience. I have saw a couple satellites act a little strange, but nothing too weird.

I keep my eyes in the sky all the time, too. I am a fan of Iridium flares, you can see those in the day and the night. I have a couple random pics of them I have caught, and a couple I have got intentionally. They are hard to even spot, much less get a picture of. I also like to track and watch the ISS, I like to think what it's like to be up there looking down at the earth.

www.heavens-above.com/

Cool stuff Randy. I see a satellite within minutes of looking on a clear nite. Probably have seen the flares too. I have def seen a short flash with no continuation (of the satellites path) several times.

[roara]

Oct 16, 2011 10:27:46 GMT -6 Randy T. said:

Oct. 16 2011 it's a beautiful day today at least what I can see past the trails, lol. Here are some pics from 30 minutes ago.

I'm goin with high cirrus clouds, just sayin.

There's that pesky 4 banger again, hmm. No visible hump so NOT a 747. Still could be Airbus or a KC-135 flying gas station? Just doesn't look right for a 135.

[Randy T.]

Here is the first pic of an Iridium flare that I caught. 15 second exposure.

Iridium 59- Information

Identification
USSPACECOM Catalog No.: 25275
International Designation Code: 1998-019-D

Satellite Details
Orbit: 776 x 779 km, 86.4°
Country/Org. of Origin: USA
Intrinsic brightness (Mag): 5.7 (at 1000km distance, 50% illuminated)
Maximum brightness (Mag): 4.6 (at perigee, 100% illuminated)

Launch
Date (UTC): March 30, 1998
Launch site: Vandenberg AFB,
California, USA
Launch vehicle: Delta 7920-10C

[lanceslambos]

that's pretty cool. you just happened to be in the right place at the right time with your camera ready?

[Randy T.]

No, on Heavensabove.com you can track them. The flare is the reflection of the sun from certain satellites, you have to be in the right spot at the right time to see it. When you log into the sight you enter your coordinates from google earth or something, then it has tracking charts that tell you exactly when and where to be to see them. They only flare for a few seconds, so you have to keep an eye out to catch the satellite before it flares. A lot of times they are right over my house, like the pic above.

[lanceslambos]

ha ha ya i saw that site and was just seeing if you would try to fib about it

[lanceslambos]

check this out!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzc60zl70Gk&feature=related

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiJ_R8JVpi4&feature=related

the best part of waking up is Folgers in your cup but how about some barium chloride and arsenic to go along with that?





at least it makes a good reflection

reminds me of an old song

"Red flesh cloud's choking out the morning sky
They said it'd never come, we knew it was a lie
All forms of life die now, the humans all succumb
Time to kiss your @ss goodbye the end has just begun
no survivors set the world on fire. "

[Randy T.]

Those are some sick pics! That last one looks like a double sun. Mon-Tuesday I only seen like 2-3 jets, but today was a jet packed day with so many contrails that it created a thick cloud cover, and they kept on flying, all day. Welcome to reality, even if it's right in front of your eyes, you can't see it.

[Superdemon]

[roara]

lol

[Randy T.]

Oct 24, 2011 7:43:16 GMT -6 Superdemon said:

Very intelligent.

[Superdemon]

Oct 25, 2011 6:41:17 GMT -6 Randy T. said:

Very intelligent.

I got my point across.

[Randy T.]

What point? That you are a closed minded follower? Yeah, I guess you did.

[lanceslambos]

ha ha some sheeple

[Superdemon]

Oct 26, 2011 13:33:36 GMT -6 Randy T. said:

What point? That you are a closed minded follower? Yeah, I guess you did.

Maybe I am open minded enough to realize the clouds are not out to get me.

[Randy T.]

Seriously!! If you have nothing better to do then to troll my thread, then stay off of it. Go obsess over some anime or whatever it is you do.

[lanceslambos]

POKEMON POWER! LMAO

[lanceslambos]

i wouldn't have believed the ORBS but i have seen them myself. for those doubting the ORBS & your own eyes look at this:

www.nearfield.com/amta/AMTA01_AN_02.htm

'nuff said

[Randy T.]

planefinder.net/

Here is a great link someone on youtube sent me. He wrote a ton of info to me about why chemtrails are not real. But, the more I learn, the more evidence I see that there is something not natural going on on our precious planet. Here is a sample from the very long message I received.

Some folk think that because some conspiracies are true, then somehow that is evidence that other conspiracy theories must be true.
Nope, each claim must be judged on it's own merit.
A whole bunch of spurious claims do not add up to a greater truth, just a greater error. People think by not understanding things in any detail they can still see the "big picture" and "connect the dots".
That is called apophenia.
I deal with the human tendency to find patterns where none actually exist in later paragraphs on paradolia and apophenia.
You will learn something very important when you read it.

Chemtrailers make a LOT of claims, so I've made a LOT of comments to address those claims.
Sure it takes a long while to read, but the fact is that people fall for the chemtrail hoax because they are often too lazy to read detailed information and just want to watch youtube videos or look at conspiracy websites.
Do you think airline pilots need to study aviation science or do they just watch youtube videos?
Do you think aircraft designers, doctors or engineers or electronics designers study their fields by reading in depth or do they just watch youtube videos?

I have been watching planefinder.net and air traffic has been what I consider normal. A jet here and there a few or less every hour. But there is a giant contrail cloud in my area now, I have been spotting 3-5 jets at a time, and no surprise, none of them are showing up on planefinder.net. I did have one fly on planefinder but it was about a mile away and at 34,000 feet, so I could not spot it.
The ones making the contrail cloud are easy to spot, and none are showing up on the website. Don't take my word for it, keep an eye out for an unnatural cloud on the horizon with streaks shooting out everywhere, you will start seeing the jets and you will understand that what is happening is not a natural occurrence from regular air traffic.

I see trails all over tv, too, if you pay attention you will see them in so many tv shows and movies and even video games. Pawn stars, mx unleashed, GTA San Andreas, are some I have noticed trails on.

People don't want to be in the same room as smokers, but it's ok for jets to cover the earth with a scary haze. I think it's chemicals, but it could be only contrails, either way I dislike what is happening.

[Oldsnut]

Why is it some people can't believe that their gov't is perfect and can do no wrong? We are Guinea Pigs for the gov't. and they have been experimenting with our lives. The chemicals that have been traced to the Chemtrails are Barium and Aluminum

The other thing they feed those who choose to take it is Flouride. Has anyone realized that there is a silent national movement by many states and municipalities to remove Flouride from their water supply. Alaska I believe just voted to remove it. I find it funny that they want to feed us a chemical that is used in Rat poison.

People need to do their own research and the believe or dis-believe that our gov't are a group of Angels which they are not.

[lanceslambos]

AMEN do i hear Revolution...

the chemsters were at it hard and heavy this morning crosshatching my sky, lacing it with mind and body altering drugs in a silent attempt on my life.


i used color filters to highlight their plumes of poison.



laying their lines of creeping death, playing checkers in the clouds.
turning around at times to do it again.



drawing tombstones above us


from west to east like claws of the beast


from north to south and falling in your mouth.






zoom in one frame and nothing.



zoom in the next and there's an ORB.


funny i only found it when i was re-sizing the pic on my pc.

normal contrail stretching a 1/2 mile?


the light filter brings out something more, what is that at 12 o'clock? another ORB




max zoom

and i can see the flag on the moon with my tasco telescope.

[Randy T.]

Well said, Oldsnut and very true. I avoid any water that's not purified with Dr Pepper. I also avoid flu shots, as do most of the people that recommend them.

I got a lot of pics today I will lay off the many and try to pic a select few, lol. I wanted to start with one I noticed from today. I thought it was a glare at first, but if you look there are 3 white lines that go up and down that seem to follow the edge of the white chemtrail. I have no idea what it is, just something I noticed. I am constantly finding things I can't explain on these pics, a lot of things I can explain. I was talking to someone that said they had caught pictures of pipes coming out of clouds, maybe this is what they meant. I was picturing old cartoon rusty looking pipes with steam. I am providing a link for a full size view.


imageshack.us/photo/my-images/72/073aq.jpg/

Well photobucket will not work atm. How about those pics at the top of the page? Isn't that pic of the sun disgusting? All of those contrails are horrible. I wish we had a choice if we wanted to see the sun or not. They are getting away with it, easily, as you can see, most people could care less about what is really happening. Smoking in a bar? No way! Fogging up the whole planet like a bug bomb, that's ok. I don't smoke, either, that's just an example, I have a phobia of cgts and don't even want to type the nasty word.