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Post by caleditor on Jan 13, 2012 6:40:15 GMT -6
I bet you have been doing this since 2007.  I see you have a Caddy. if you are a memeber of the owners forum contact GizmoQ he is a moderator. Not sure when I did his 1996 Eldo, but I would say 2008. I have 4 folders for 1996 to 1999 Caddy's that were created in 2007. Hey I tuned Jeff Jugglers Aurora. Let me find his info |
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Post by aurora4 on Jan 16, 2012 8:11:43 GMT -6
Who is Jeff Jugglers and you have to bare with us. alot of people have claimed they can do this and that to our cars but never live up to it. also if i found out you used my car without my permission for your experiments i would own your shop.
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Post by caleditor on Jan 16, 2012 8:26:19 GMT -6
Who is Jeff Jugglers and you have to bare with us. alot of people have claimed they can do this and that to our cars but never live up to it. also if i found out you used my car without my permission for your experiments i would own your shop. WTF I drive about 10 customers cars a day. I drive them in all different manors. Some go off road some go 80 mph some are all about braking. So whats the deal if I run a car up to fuel cut on my hoist? Is it the tuning thing? If that is it then you might want to know we tune about 25% of all of the cars that go through the shop and the customers never know. GM even has updates and if you think about it just a little you would understand that is tuning. If I update a PCM with GM's software or mine what does it mater. We have EFILive, HPTuners, TunerCat, DHP, and about 10 other software packages including GM's TIS |
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Post by Aurora40 on Jan 16, 2012 9:11:59 GMT -6
WTF I drive about 10 customers cars a day. I drive them in all different manors. Some go off road some go 80 mph some are all about braking. So whats the deal if I run a car up to fuel cut on my hoist? Is it the tuning thing? If that is it then you might want to know we tune about 25% of all of the cars that go through the shop and the customers never know. GM even has updates and if you think about it just a little you would understand that is tuning. If I update a PCM with GM's software or mine what does it mater. Wow... Your attitude regarding other peoples' property is shocking. |
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Post by caleditor on Jan 16, 2012 9:27:05 GMT -6
WTF I drive about 10 customers cars a day. I drive them in all different manors. Some go off road some go 80 mph some are all about braking. So whats the deal if I run a car up to fuel cut on my hoist? Is it the tuning thing? If that is it then you might want to know we tune about 25% of all of the cars that go through the shop and the customers never know. GM even has updates and if you think about it just a little you would understand that is tuning. If I update a PCM with GM's software or mine what does it mater. Wow... Your attitude regarding other peoples' property is shocking. What are you thinking? Say on a 2000 GTP. GM has several updates. I can use GM's TIS or TunerCat to update the PCM. If I have the update from GM saved in TC and I can flash it in with TC why not use TC I just had a guy come in on Friday that had been at a dyno. He was scared the guy damaged the engine on the dyno. I told him I know the dyno shop and I trust the owner. If you are not use to the way a car sounds on a dyno you would think that the car might just come a part. www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs8mup0GMbs&feature=relatedand Lyndon lost an Northstar Engine on his dyno |
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Post by shelbyracing on Jan 16, 2012 9:32:41 GMT -6
I would think the dino would serve the purpose for most of that, esp speed. I love my car, atv, and truck. I don't let anybody drive any of them unless I am with them. As all three are modified in different ways and can easily kill people.
I modify off road vehicles and testing the new limit means you have to breach the old one. It's something I wouldn't test on someone else's machine.
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Post by caleditor on Jan 16, 2012 9:43:10 GMT -6
I would think the dino would serve the purpose for most of that, esp speed. I love my car, atv, and truck. I don't let anybody drive any of them unless I am with them. As all three are modified in different ways and can easily kill people. I modify off road vehicles and testing the new limit means you have to breach the old one. It's something I wouldn't test on someone else's machine. We are a company that does just that. We tune Vehicles. |
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Post by caleditor on Jan 16, 2012 11:10:49 GMT -6
I am thinking some people jumped to some odd types of conclusions and assumptions. We are a tuning based company, but we do other repairs. I had a customer’s car in the shop for other repairs. He is a very good customer and trusts me with his cars. The car was a 1998 Aurora and I ran out of time to flash in a tune and then put it back. I could have asked this customer to use his car and I would put money on it he would have said no problem. If anything happened I am sure our insurance would have covered it. Remember we are not some corner repair shop and this by no means was some experiment. I would have just change the 1 parameter for the speed limiter. I am sorry if you don’t understand that, but if anyone would like to see what I am talking about just down load the HPTuner's demo or EFILive’s demo and I will send you 2 files to compare. You will see how this is just one or 2 settings.
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Post by shelbyracing on Jan 16, 2012 13:37:49 GMT -6
Have you dyno-tuned the shelby engine with vin 9 cam, if so, I am wondering what the HP was.
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Post by caleditor on Jan 16, 2012 17:57:37 GMT -6
I think this one was a 4.0L Shelby  This is what I ended up with  |
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Post by shelbyracing on Jan 16, 2012 19:09:45 GMT -6
What does a reg Aurora have @ wheels? Looks like it started starving for air or fuel, was it factory exhaust?
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Post by shelbyracing on Jan 16, 2012 19:27:14 GMT -6
So they had about 300-320 HP @ crank. And left factory rev limit? That's a lot of HP at 5,500 rpms.
I read that the 4T80-E is 75% efficient
another said loss of 20-28%
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Post by wireless on Jan 16, 2012 21:44:58 GMT -6
I thought that the regular 4.0 (not shelby) made 250hp at the crank, and the Shelby made 300-320hp at the crank? If it's 320hp, with 25% taken off, that's 240hp at the wheels.
If it's a regular Aurora (250hp) with 25% taken off, that's around 187.5fwhp. Of course, I'm not sure if that's exact, if it's just 20% that gives up 200hp to the wheels.
However, I've heard that the normal 4.0L with exhaust and the Airbox mod adds at least 12-15hp, which would give you around 212fwhp with 20% efficiency from the tranny. So, with the VIN 9 cams, this would put it at around 240hp at the wheels?
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Post by shelbyracing on Jan 16, 2012 23:59:28 GMT -6
The Shelby is 320 stock @ 6,500 rpms. That car is showing 320 @ 5,500. So it must have pretty good tune n set up. However I'm looking to utilize about 7,200 rpms.
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Post by caleditor on Jan 17, 2012 8:24:47 GMT -6
The Shelby is 320 stock @ 6,500 rpms. That is 100% false |
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Post by caleditor on Jan 17, 2012 8:32:16 GMT -6
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Post by shelbyracing on Jan 17, 2012 8:44:41 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2012 9:11:01 GMT -6
320 with the free flowing exhaust and shelby intake. Considering how restrictive our exhaust are, I would assume you are right around the 300 mark. at the crank anyways. |
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Post by shelbyracing on Jan 17, 2012 9:19:51 GMT -6
I have 2.5" dual exhaust with magnaflows.. Cross over pipe it the killer. I'm not sure what mine is right now but I'm hoping for around 350 @ crank with a good tune and higher revs. I think the intakes on our's look fairly free flowing.
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Post by caleditor on Jan 17, 2012 9:59:49 GMT -6
The intake was the same.
This is the deal. Shelby needed X amount of HP for his car. GM would not sell him the 4.6L. GM also told him how much HP the engine made. Shelby was not happy with the engine situation and started working on fitting it with a Supercharger. GM caught wind of this and said No Fing way and if you do we will pull our engines out of the project.
When all was done some owners went to dyno's and the numbers were very low, but Shelby already knew this. One reason Shelby knew this is the 1/4 mile track times were way off of the 320hp. Customers got very upset and Shelby told GM he was going to fit the SC on the engines and this started a small war.
I remember in the Snake Bit book a customer had his $10k Vortec SC installed and it made around 320 hp. This customer was very hot with the Old's dealer.
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Post by caleditor on Jan 17, 2012 10:00:34 GMT -6
I have 2.5" dual exhaust with magnaflows.. Cross over pipe it the killer. I'm not sure what mine is right now but I'm hoping for around 350 @ crank with a good tune and higher revs. I think the intakes on our's look fairly free flowing. I have a few of the Snake Bit books left. Are you interested in one? |
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Post by shelbyracing on Jan 17, 2012 10:21:45 GMT -6
I just wanna clarify that I'm not trying to argue. I am trying to see the logic for everyone that can read this. I'm just sayin 12.8 in quarter for the n/a is pretty fast. A Ferrari F50 runs 12.1.
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Post by shelbyracing on Jan 17, 2012 10:23:47 GMT -6
I don't know what a snake bit book is?
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Post by wireless on Jan 17, 2012 10:31:01 GMT -6
quote taken from caleditor's old account -- It's basically a book regarding the Shelby Series 1 car. Very good read. |
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Post by caleditor on Jan 17, 2012 10:56:16 GMT -6
quote taken from caleditor's old account -- It's basically a book regarding the Shelby Series 1 car. Very good read. That book has more correct information than any other source. I worked next door to Mike Junueau's Dealership. I have talked to Mike and I have seen many S1's at the dealership |
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Post by shelbyracing on Jan 17, 2012 12:35:11 GMT -6
The Series 1 is my favorite car so.. Yeah, the F50 is my brothers fav.
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Post by caleditor on Jan 17, 2012 17:36:06 GMT -6
The Series 1 is my favorite car so.. Yeah, the F50 is my brothers fav. I will have the kids find the books |
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Post by caleditor on Jan 17, 2012 17:42:34 GMT -6
The buy knew the location and that we have 6 left
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Post by shelbyracing on Jan 17, 2012 18:00:19 GMT -6
You achieved about 315 hp @ 5,500 rpm's according to a 24-23% drivetrain reduction that I found from dynoed 4.6 ltrs with the 4T80E. That is pretty impressive seeing how it is supposed to hit peak performance at 6,500 rpms with their exhaust set up.
So why do you not believe their hp claims? I don't fully understand.
The track times seem to agree in contrast to a car of similar weight that has some serious hp.
Or are you saying they weren't tuned correctly for performance and had to be dyno tuned to hit the claimed hp of 320?
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Post by caleditor on Jan 17, 2012 18:20:10 GMT -6
If I remember correctly the SC was dealer installed
You really have to read this book
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