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Post by shelbyracing on Jul 15, 2012 19:09:34 GMT -6
Has anyone gotten their pcm back from Wester's and installed it with any benefits?
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Post by scottyaurorav8 on Aug 28, 2012 2:40:34 GMT -6
Some good amount of time has passed.....any vendor or customer updates regarding PCM's for 1G and 2G 4.0 Auroras and with the fan setting changes as well?
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Post by sall on Aug 29, 2012 6:00:44 GMT -6
I do not think anyone has purchased a tune. If you just want a cooling fan mod check out Bob's 'Deluxe Cooling Fan Mod'(For Classic) in the stickies.
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Post by almostjaded on Sept 17, 2012 11:29:30 GMT -6
I decided to talk to these guys before going off and trying to get something done the long way. I just got off the phone with Lindon at Wester's. Had a very nice conversation with him about options for boosting my motor. He definitely knows what he's talking about, I get a strong impression that any tune work from these guys will be well done and show real gains.
The cost is $495 for the initial tune, after that tweaks and retunes he asks only that you cover the cost of shipping the ECU back & forth.
As of right now, he does not support 2000+ engines; '99 and earlier 4.6's and 4.0's only.
As I have not actually used his tune yet, I can't post as a customer; however my conversation was very in-depth and he certainly convinced this (not very easily impressed) guy that he's the real deal. I will be using him when I get to that point, and wouldn't hesitate to recommend them based on the knowledge he demonstrated in our conversation.
1-888-WESTER1, Lindon is the guy that does the N*'s.
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Post by wireless on Sept 17, 2012 12:35:55 GMT -6
I decided to talk to these guys before going off and trying to get something done the long way. I just got off the phone with Lindon at Wester's. Had a very nice conversation with him about options for boosting my motor. He definitely knows what he's talking about, I get a strong impression that any tune work from these guys will be well done and show real gains. The cost is $495 for the initial tune, after that tweaks and retunes he asks only that you cover the cost of shipping the ECU back & forth. As of right now, he does not support 2000+ engines; '99 and earlier 4.6's and 4.0's only. As I have not actually used his tune yet, I can't post as a customer; however my conversation was very in-depth and he certainly convinced this (not very easily impressed) guy that he's the real deal. I will be using him when I get to that point, and wouldn't hesitate to recommend them based on the knowledge he demonstrated in our conversation. 1-888-WESTER1, Lindon is the guy that does the N*'s. You should do some looking on this forum for some posts by: "caleditor" as well. Both know what they're talking about, both are very intelligent. However, NEITHER of them has ever proven that they can tune a N*. Lyndon is a very nice guy - and I think he could do it over cal, however, once again... no proof. Feel free to be the guinea pig, haha |
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Post by almostjaded on Sept 17, 2012 20:55:38 GMT -6
Westerrs has tuned plenty of Northstars; just because none on this forum doesn't mean none. Searching other boards, he has a good reputation.
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Post by wireless on Sept 17, 2012 21:09:18 GMT -6
Sorry, I should rephrase.
He's never tuned an Aurora. That was the majority of qualms against caleditor, and the same claims can be made to Lyndon. No tuned Aurora. By all means, send him the PCM & let us know how it goes lol
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Post by almostjaded on Sept 18, 2012 21:45:36 GMT -6
So just for giggles - why would tuning the Aurora be any different than the 4.6? When I asked Lyndon specifically about the differences, his response - almost word for word - was "There are couple of lines that are a little different and you have to address them, but in all actuality there isn't a significant difference between the two motors from a tuning standpoint".
I don't know what kind of gains are there to be had period on an essentially stock motor; the early N*'s weren't tuned as conservatively as most GM engines (hence the fickleness with fuel) and I haven't been in there myself to see where things can be tweaked. But when it comes to running boost - yes, I will be sending him my ECU. Until I get the rest handled and the turbo ready to install, there isn't much point right now, though.
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Post by wireless on Sept 18, 2012 22:19:02 GMT -6
He quoted me a 30-40hp gain with just a tune alone.
Also - it's not. However, I haven't seen any Seville's or any other Cadillac's of the same era tuned.
Yes, in theory it sounds awesome & easy. However, 500 bucks and down a car for a while doesn't sound too appealing to me. He's in canada IIRC so the PCM has to pass through customs, etc. Not a big deal, but adds downtime.. :/
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Post by Randy T. on Sept 19, 2012 19:20:48 GMT -6
Pcms are common and cheap, it would be easy to buy an extra to have it tuned instead of parking your car. almostjaded, you can also install 2nd gen injectors and turn up your fuel pressure via your fpr. You can install '06 DTS exhaust just by trimming down the tip length, it's a 1/4 inch bigger in diameter than stock Aurora. There are a few things you can to to add a little extra here and there, those might give you a couple pretune ideas to help that would also help your tune. Search Aurorabrain and read his posts from the past. I would not go with anyone but Westers. I am not even going to comment on the other guy. Read through the forum. lol
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Post by renaldo0613 on Sept 20, 2012 9:58:12 GMT -6
Pcms are common and cheap, it would be easy to buy an extra to have it tuned instead of parking your car. almostjaded, you can also install 2nd gen injectors and turn up your fuel pressure via your fpr. You can install '06 DTS exhaust just by trimming down the tip length, it's a 1/4 inch bigger in diameter than stock Aurora. There are a few things you can to to add a little extra here and there, those might give you a couple pretune ideas to help that would also help your tune. Search Aurorabrain and read his posts from the past. I would not go with anyone but Westers. I am not even going to comment on the other guy. Read through the forum. lol Lmao "the other guy" |
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Post by wireless on Sept 20, 2012 10:15:02 GMT -6
Yeah, you'll find quite a bit of history here.. lol
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Post by shelbyracing on Sept 27, 2012 18:37:34 GMT -6
Proof, is such a necessity. Yet nobody has any, I have high hopes for Wester's no doubt. Yet we still lack proof. I really want to send mine in but am in the same boat as Wireless and want no down time of my car.
And would there be any security issues as to why a different pcm wouldn't work to be tuned Randy?
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Post by scottyaurorav8 on Sept 27, 2012 21:27:12 GMT -6
Yea this whole Aurora tuning thing really makes me frustrated. Westers does have tuning listed on his site but for the 1st gen and it doesn't list in detail all that is expected with the tune. If you look on intense racing for all the GTP/Regal GS owners, they have an entire list of all that their tune will offer. Second, theres nothing for the 2nd Gen Aurora....if it can be dione then what is the delay. I remember Madtuners explaining how they could tune a 2nd Gen, except they cannot change the fan settings yet. It was stated a little more time is needed to do it. WELL DO IT LOL. post it on your website in complete form. I'm all about purchasing a PCM. If these companies can do it. Post on the website, list the exact features it offers and provide a PCM that has the tune on it for sale as an exchange method so theres no down time for our daily drivers. Whats the problem?
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Post by almostjaded on Nov 6, 2012 23:49:22 GMT -6
The problem is that there's such a limited market when it comes to Aurora's; it isn't worth the trouble to them. I had a long convo with HPT about 3-bar boost support for the LSJ; almost as many of those motors out there, FAAAR bigger tuner market - and they said "not worth out time, focusing on the LSJ". And they've never bothered with the N* at ALL. I think not bothering at all is a mistake; the N8 is a popular swap motor and used in dune-buggies and such; but they want to know that several grand worth of R&D will pay off, and so far nobody can convince them that there's that much of a market for the N8 PERIOD, much less the 4.0.
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Post by lanceslambos on Nov 7, 2012 9:51:20 GMT -6
o boy, here we go again. call me crazy but I live in the show - me state and up till now there has been zero proof of anything. someone with money to burn please feel free to guinea pig this for the benefit of everyone! until that day comes, why beat a dead horse?
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Post by XJSman89 on Nov 7, 2012 10:07:19 GMT -6
He's talking about HP tuners, a different company. I talked with them a little as well, we get a good portion of our tuning software from them and they like us down there so I know he was being straight with us, but they just don't see the demand for tuning northstars. They need a few hundred clients out there to make it worth their time and there just aren't that many fieros with northstars out there, and I can count on two hands the number of people in the whole world interested in tuning the factory 4.0 installed in classic. ;D
The car just isn't popular enough to get the attention, that's all.
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Post by sall on Nov 7, 2012 13:11:22 GMT -6
I think most of the guys using N* in fieros and buggy builds are using an LS1 PCM which is been highly programmable for a while with lots support. We need the PCM to communicate with the other modules to run everything though too. And yes HPTuners does not support our PCMs.
I have no doubt that the PCM can be tuned by Westers. I am just not sold on not being be able to modify the base tune myself. Maybe you want two profiles a track and daily driver. One performance one economy.
It really can't be that hard to pull the chip and be able to read and alter values using whatever method. I assume the use a prom programmer. The key is knowing which values to alter and how to get to the them after you can successfully read the chip. I don't know anything about it in the personal experience category though.
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Post by shelbyracing on Nov 7, 2012 15:37:31 GMT -6
I'm gonna assume that is why the Series 1 was fitted with ls1. I've been leaning that way too. Can anyone here make a correct harness? Then I could easily pay a dyno tune shop. That is if we could control the trans with it?
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Post by shelbyracing on Nov 7, 2012 15:48:14 GMT -6
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