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Post by JimW on Aug 4, 2004 21:24:38 GMT -6
After giving my car hell for being such a pain in the butt during my hub change last weekend, its paying me back... 1. Gear shift indicator light fell out again! 2. Burnt out driver side SilverStar low 3. Condensation/fog in the driver side headlamp (rain and humity) 4. Still no centre caps... Grrr...so many little things frustrate me, time to blast the air hose into the lens, remove the air intake system so I can get to the bulb (wtf is THAT!?)..argh, she better co-operate on my 800km trip to Cape Cod this weekend.. /rant
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Post by tedhontz on Aug 4, 2004 21:53:17 GMT -6
im starting to NOT like how unreliable these cars are at only 100K, under 200K. My first mustang was owned by my neighbor who drove it to new york and back to indiana every month. WHen I sold it, after 2 YEARS, it had 682,000 miles on it with ORIGINAL t-5 transmission and 5.0 engine. Running strong i sold it to a kid for $4000! I saw him at Mc Donalds a year and a half later and he said it was still running great and all he had to do so far was change the clutch cause he didnt know how to drive a stick at first. But these auroras, people on here state the trannys are excellent, but i have read MANY dissapointed people having to drop new expensive trannys in at 80K! And today, while mine seens to shift great, I put mine into gear but didn't feel the gear stick as it should. I look down to notice it IS in drive. SO i give it gas and it acts like its in neutral and then shakes till it grabs 1st gear. Once in gear it shifts fine! I question the reliability on this car with all the complaints people have. THe people that love this car, including me so far, are just putting up with ALL the problems this car causes. Its like a corvette. People buy corvettes to purposly beat them knowing they'll break that day so they can go home and have fun fixing them. ME? I like to work on them and upgrade them, but NOT have to fix it all the time! Any tranny suggestions?
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Post by JimW on Aug 4, 2004 22:09:13 GMT -6
Yes...you only read about the 10 or so people that had to change the tranny, not the 15 000 that are built every year. Dont forget that. The electronically controlled 4T80E is an excellent transmission.
Sounds like your problem is tranny shift solenoid, not a new transmission.
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Post by tedhontz on Aug 4, 2004 22:53:56 GMT -6
yes i hope so too. keep fingers crossed. but do remember, that 10 people on here have posted tranny replacements, rebuilds. thats 10 on just here, and ive counted many more on automotiveforums and half the OVER half the negative comments listed by actual owners on autos.msn.com have complained about trannys going out. You have to remember, that out of 15,000, alot of people don't have access to a computer to complain about this. Some that have access dont know about aurora car posts, and alot dont care to post stuff about their cars. The local tranny shop in town told me not to buy an aurora because of the tranny problems, BUT almost every passenger car 4 door automatic is known for tranny problems. Don't believe me, check reliability ratings and comments on autos.msn.com.
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Post by JimW on Aug 5, 2004 9:17:13 GMT -6
While I get my little things fixed up I hope I can avoid any 4T80E issues ;D
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Post by tedhontz on Aug 5, 2004 9:42:25 GMT -6
i've always wanted to tell you that i love the rims on your car! They are sharp but yet dont look so GHETTO! Do you know if a tranny shop can tell if the solenoids are bad without dropping tranny. any transmission codes for that or anything?
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Post by Aurora40 on Aug 5, 2004 20:53:22 GMT -6
im starting to NOT like how unreliable these cars are at only 100K, under 200K. My first mustang was owned by my neighbor who drove it to new york and back to indiana every month. WHen I sold it, after 2 YEARS, it had 682,000 miles on it with ORIGINAL t-5 transmission and 5.0 engine. Running strong i sold it to a kid for $4000! I saw him at Mc Donalds a year and a half later and he said it was still running great and all he had to do so far was change the clutch cause he didnt know how to drive a stick at first. But these auroras, people on here state the trannys are excellent, but i have read MANY dissapointed people having to drop new expensive trannys in at 80K! And today, while mine seens to shift great, I put mine into gear but didn't feel the gear stick as it should. I look down to notice it IS in drive. SO i give it gas and it acts like its in neutral and then shakes till it grabs 1st gear. Once in gear it shifts fine! I question the reliability on this car with all the complaints people have. THe people that love this car, including me so far, are just putting up with ALL the problems this car causes. Its like a corvette. People buy corvettes to purposly beat them knowing they'll break that day so they can go home and have fun fixing them. ME? I like to work on them and upgrade them, but NOT have to fix it all the time! Any tranny suggestions? Hey, so you hate Camaros and Corvettes. Care to compare your Mustangs to any political ideologies? Your manual tranny lasted longer than an automatic, wow, what a shocker... All Jim posted about was two burned out light bulbs and the fact his Bonneville rims didn't come with Aurora center caps. From that you conclude that all Aurora owners just live with the myriad of problems each of these cars must have (after all, yours has them, well actually just one tranny issue that could be something as simple as a loose shifter cable)...
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Post by tedhontz on Aug 5, 2004 21:59:23 GMT -6
WOW!! WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM AURORA40? What did i do to offend YOU? Are you going through a divorce or something?? I was simply agreeing with Jim in the dissappointment. HENCE THE TOPIC OF THE POST!!! You need to learn before you start blabbing about what you don't know anything about. IF you care to actually look at a NON-BIASED car website that compares and reviews ALL makes and models, you would see that the average of all posts (hundreds) on autos.msn.com rank this car to be one of the lowest ranked cars in reliability and recommendation. Just because i point this out doesn't mean i hate the Aurora. I like the care for the most part VERY MUCH. Im just shocked about some of the stuff. I didn't say my tranny was bad, in fact i said that it shifts fine and i was only trying to get some advice on what i could be, if you'd learn to read before you start going all wild. Like i said before, it IS possible to like more than one car! And there is nothing in the rules saying that i can't compare my knowledge of another car to the aurora.
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Post by tedhontz on Aug 5, 2004 22:01:11 GMT -6
and WHERE did you get that i hate corvettes? ?? I never said that. They are an awesome performance car, just pricey to fix. You must of imagined that in the make believe lines with your reading problem. ALso, if you look at what did wrote on his first post on this topic, ERRG, so many little things frustrate me about this car! HENCE THE TOPIC, DISSAPOINTMENT. Once again, READ.
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Post by erw38 on Aug 5, 2004 22:40:26 GMT -6
Calm Down! ;D
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Post by erw38 on Aug 5, 2004 22:42:08 GMT -6
Jim, weren't you just talking about bulbs burning out? Did that one just make a 180 and bite you in the butt?
;D
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Post by JimW on Aug 5, 2004 23:07:51 GMT -6
Wow...yea..best to simma down gents.
Anyways, I swapped out the bum Silverstar tonight, of course it had to be on my driver side and you need to take out the entire air intake system in order to swap the buld.
heh...everything is under something..gotta love it.
Slowly its getting back together, the sun did a nice job of burning off the fog on my headlamp today!
next is the gear shift light...after my vacation!
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Post by Aurora40 on Aug 6, 2004 10:00:35 GMT -6
You need to learn before you start blabbing about what you don't know anything about. Ok, let me do some quick learning first. Done. So, I just did some research, and it turns out I love my car. It also turns out that it has had no real problems since it rolled off the assembly line. So either my research is wrong, or your statement really isn't true of "the people that love this car". I did a little more research, and it turns out that I actually bought a Corvette. Not only that, but it turns out that I didn't buy it just to beat on it. So apparently either my research methods are flawed, or your ridiculously generalized statement about all Corvette buyers is not true. I did try to check out the information you'd posted about autos.msn.com. However, it must be my inability to read rearing its ugly head again. I could swear next to each of those years that it says "no data":
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Post by Aurora40 on Aug 6, 2004 10:06:02 GMT -6
WOW!! WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM AURORA40? As to this part, what problem is it that I have? I believe I responded in an appropriate fashion considering the content of your post. I am not the one tossing out speculation on marital status or lack of ability to understand the written word.
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Post by tedhontz on Aug 6, 2004 10:58:41 GMT -6
Calm Down is right, AURORA40.
Ok, now im about to prove you wrong again. And since you still don't know how to read for yourself, i will give you step by step instructions on how to get ratings and reviews. I said that you can read reviews by "PEOPLE" about their own auroras. THe aurora was never professionally reviewed on the msn site due to the lack of sales and popularity on the aurora.
But here it is, just for you, step by step instructions on how to get to the ratings and reviews for the aurora. My car's year 1995, received a low 6.9 quality rating. Much lower than most cars. And i never said ALL corvettes are beat on and are fix in your garage vehicles. Just alot of gearheads do that with them, especially the older ones. Stop putting words into my mouth.
OK, here are detailed instructions.
1. go to autos.msn.com 2. go to - find a car 3. click - used 4. select "oldsmobile" for make 5. select "aurora" for model 6. click on the year of the aurora you wish to get info 7. click - "RATINGS AND REVIEWS" tab! 8. click - read reviews
While alot of reviews are positive which is why the people own their car still, a ton of people complain about the reliability and expense of fixing these cars which is why then receive a low quality rating versus other cars.
If you still can't access these ratings and reviews, you can call microsoft and maybe they can send you pictures. ;D
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Post by erw38 on Aug 7, 2004 10:01:02 GMT -6
Ted,
You have to understand that the majority of people who buy this car take it back to the stealership to get it fixed. That is where the expensive part comes into play. The "unreliability" aspect rears its ugly head when Grandma and Grandpa Simth Drive their Aurora for a few years and do only so much as an oil change to maintain it.
I agree that parts are expensive for these cars, but I guess that is the price you pay for a luxury automobile. As far as mainaining it goes, this car,the engine in particular from what I understand, needs to be maintained regularly because it is a very advanced engine to start with. Granted, its not a turn your key and drive worry-free for years to come like a Lexus, but its also a "performance car" unlike a Lexus is.
While I see your point and Bob's point are at entirely opposite ends of the spectrum. It's apparant that you two probably bought the car for different reasons. So, what I think you two need to do, is to throwing insults, or whatever you want to call them, at each other and maybe you two can learn from eachother. I know I cam here to become more educated on this car and I believe that holds true in some way, shape, or form for everyone here. Granted, this car is not a sinch to maintain, but I have gotten satisfaction out of it none-the-less. When I am able to fix it myself, with the help of everyone here, a feeling comes over me like I can do anything (even though I know it's not true).
To make a long story short, let's put our differences aside and agree to dissagree on the "nightmare" this car causes it's owners. Let's play nice and talk like civilized people. And who knows, we just might learn something from eachother.
Bob,
I know you are only responding to Ted's posts, but sometimes we have to let things go in one ear and out the other.
Ted and Bob,
I'm sure the whole board would apprecciate it if you two stopped the "friendly" debating and gave up on proving eachother right and/or wrong.
Thanks ;D
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Post by JimW on Aug 7, 2004 10:21:23 GMT -6
Everyone has had a chance to say their piece.
This exhibit is closed
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