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Post by Mr. Javi on Jun 20, 2005 8:08:38 GMT -6
well i learn something new everyday. aurora are nice cars. they look like they should have them. Hey black Aurora, I had my HID kit for over a year, with no problems to my wiring, never got pulled over just for my lighting. I think cops have more better things to worry, than pulling over a nice Aurora. Black Aurora here is a picture of the HID against my garage door.
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Post by Custom88 on Jun 20, 2005 9:12:44 GMT -6
I think the 2nd gen cars would be able to get away with HID ligths quite a bit easier seeming they have projector headlights from the factory. If they had the HID lights shining through them it'd look perfectly natural just becaus eof the type of headlight the 2nd gen has. Just see my avatar. The projectors are awesome.
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Post by bLACk AurOrA on Jun 20, 2005 9:19:35 GMT -6
well where i drive most cops arent worried about that. clear turn signals are illegal and i have them. i bet over 80% of cops dont even know that HIDs are illegal
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Post by Snoman002 on Jun 20, 2005 13:00:25 GMT -6
I bet that 80% of the cops know that they are illegal. It really has become a hot issue, and I have to say that a clear turn is less likly to draw a cops attention then blinding them. I would not run any HID's without a relay harness, the balasts can pull over 90 amps for a very short time upon startup, they can pull over 30 amps for a longer period of time. Running the stock wiring is just asking for trouble, especially if you had to put a bigger fues in like may do, that is a big no-no. Javi, not trying to be rude, but I have to say that there is quite a bit of glare in that picture, quite alot actually. Would anyone be willing to take a picture of the lights shining on a smooth wall about 25 feet away. Some pics to enjoy. Bad HID kit: Another bad kit: And another: The good stuff, this is a retro HID using all factory components (I.E. components from BMW's, Audi's, Merc's, acura, honda, etc and put in other cars) An article on why the "kits" are illegal: www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/rulings/glare.html(goto table of contents, you have to scroll down some, and find the more pertinant info)
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Post by Rora99 on Jun 20, 2005 16:22:09 GMT -6
well, was that last pic of the headlights have a car with classic aurora headlamps or is that a car with projector beams b/c the 2 different lamps throw light out differently, like my wifes cougar throws light out in a straight cut line like the last pic b/c it has projector lamps, but on the other hand my aurora does not. like custom88 was saying they would look more natural in a 2nd gen aurora b/c of the projecctor beams headlights. but then again mine work great even if they dont CUT the darkness, theyre bright as hell.(the car in the bottom pic im guessing is a bimmer?)
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Post by Snoman002 on Jun 20, 2005 18:43:32 GMT -6
I see what you are saying. Non of the pics are of an Olds' anything.
The issues is that the cars that don't have a sharp cutoff will probably blind other drivers because they throw light in the wrong areas. Also, just because it is a projector dosn't mean that a KIT will work well, the focal point of the bulb will still be different and that will throw off the optics of the projector.
What I am trying to say is that with the high output of the HID's you need a lens system that will tightly controll the light that is emitted, this will give you the optimal lighting for your saftey, and will prevent the other drivers from being blinded by stray light. The kits may be bright, but that dosn't mean that it is putting the light in the areas where it will benifit you the most. It is possible that it will improve the lighting of your car, but it is just as possible that it will be distracting to other drivers and do little to actuall improve your ability to see what is infront of you.
Not trying to say your guys stuff is junk, so please don't take it like that, just trying to point out that there is better stuff out there if you are going for function. A 8000k HID kit may have the 'bling', but for the best lighting it is sadly lacking to the OEM components. Also, the OEM systems are becoming about the same price as the kits and the quality of the components is far superior to almost every kit component. Basically if the bulbs arn't Osram or Phillips and the balasts are not Hella/Denso/Bosch/mitsu don't expect it to have long term reliability.
Anyways, my plans for an Aurora just got shot all to hell today so I might not be around here much anymore.
Please, if you are thinking of HID lighting visit the forum that I posted a link to. It will at least provide you with the proper information to make an informed decission about what you are getting into with whichever route you take.
Have a good one and happy wheeling
Snoman
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Post by bLACk AurOrA on Jun 20, 2005 20:49:14 GMT -6
i dont know anything about lights or anything but i think it would be sweet to put some of the new corvette HID's on an aurora. snowman... what ideas of yours got shot down?
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Post by Snoman002 on Jun 20, 2005 22:04:34 GMT -6
Oh, the dreams of having an Aurora. Ok, well not really the dream of having an Aurora, it was the dream of having an Aurora RIGHT NOW LOL .
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Post by Mr. Javi on Jun 22, 2005 8:18:59 GMT -6
Classic Auroras have reflector headlights, so doing a projector retro fit would be a major task to accomplish.
An HID kit or should I say a decent HID kit, that is not made in Taiwan or something like that would do just fine, I have one and the major of the light is aimed forward, so I'm not worried.
It would be nice to have projectors, since that's the only way that you can get a nice cut off pattern of light, but that is a major modification for a Classic Aurora.
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Post by Snoman002 on Jun 22, 2005 9:07:11 GMT -6
Unforturatly it is a major retro for a gen 2 also. You cant just put a HID bulb in ANY halogen headlight, projector or reflector, and expect it to work properly. If it does it is just a stroke of luck that it gives you good light output and minimal glare. You may get lucky, but you may not. You need to put in a projector for a HID bulb as any halogen headlamp is designed to work with a differnt focal point and the way the bulb distrubtes the light.
Just because it isn't a tiwan kit dosn't mean that it will give you better light output and direction. I belive that every kit still uses rebased HID bulbs and this is where the problem comes from. No matter what you do you cannot get a rebased HID bulb to work perfect in a stock headlamp. First off the stock headlamp all ready has bad light distrobution and second the bulb gives light off in a much differnt way. You might get slightly better components than the foreign kits, but still they will not match the reliability of factory components.
Doing the retro really isn't that hard if you have a reasonable mechanical inclination.
Just found a post on HIDPlanet where a person is selling a complete HID system. They want $350 for the whole setup, and that is a Bi-xenon setup at that (Bi-xenon means low and hi beam HID as opposed to single, or normal, HID).
Not saying that your stuff is crap so please don't take it as such, just trying to point out that for near the same amount of money you can have a HID system that will give you better output and will be less blinding to other drivers and all it will take is a little work.
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Post by Rora99 on Jun 22, 2005 17:29:09 GMT -6
here are my headlights in my garage, theyre pretty straight and narrow, oh and black aurora, i see you made your clear marker lenses(i hate you)
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Post by aurorinz on Jun 27, 2005 17:45:06 GMT -6
hey Rora those lights look really nice I think the whiteness of the light is pretty intense and focused well. what temp kelvin are they again?
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Post by Rora99 on Jun 27, 2005 20:45:28 GMT -6
8000k
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Post by Snoman002 on Jun 27, 2005 22:44:23 GMT -6
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Post by 95mushroom on Jun 27, 2005 23:17:42 GMT -6
Yea, very interesting. Kinda turned-off my desire for "Bi-Xenon" headlights. Though it did skimp on the issue of modular units. I don't see a problem with a part that was designed to be a stand-alone piece.
Now, I think I will do snoman's idea of retro (I think). The Aurora headlights are fairly large (though somewhat short), so I plan to modify the original-equipment halogen headlamp housing to contain optical "guts" designed for HID usage. Then use one of those "Hella" HID kits.
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Post by bLACk AurOrA on Jul 24, 2005 19:45:41 GMT -6
i think im gonna go ahead and order one. hey rora99, where do i get some of the blue coated parking lights?
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Post by bLACk AurOrA on Jul 24, 2005 22:03:46 GMT -6
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Post by bLACk AurOrA on Jul 25, 2005 9:01:47 GMT -6
id like to order them sometime...
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Post by oldsauroraman1 on Jul 25, 2005 15:38:11 GMT -6
They would be most helpful here in rural PA.
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Post by bLACk AurOrA on Jul 26, 2005 0:01:26 GMT -6
well i guess this is a sign that i shouldnt order them since no one here can tell me if there good or not.
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Post by Custom88 on Jul 26, 2005 1:15:35 GMT -6
Phillips is a good brand for HID. They should be good.. I think?
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Post by 95mushroom on Jul 26, 2005 2:23:17 GMT -6
Yea, Philips is a good brand but, under the auction, its lists McCulloch ballasts and ignitors which are good but no brand for the bulbs nor is there any markings on the bulbs. Look at the package that the bulbs come in. Does that look like they're worth more then a couple bux?
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Post by Rora99 on Aug 7, 2005 20:13:01 GMT -6
this is pretty late but i got those blue bulbs at auto zone.
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Post by oldsauroraman1 on Aug 7, 2005 20:18:46 GMT -6
McCulloch ballasts and ignitors
Say what??? Wow, those guys made chain saws for years.
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Post by colinbanfield on Aug 8, 2005 20:00:38 GMT -6
Er, this might be a bit off topic but has anyone considered PIAA Xtreme White plus replacement bulbs? Not H.I.D. but street legal and supposed to put out a lot of light.
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