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Post by bobsblue95 on Aug 24, 2011 5:26:03 GMT -6
That's not the VATS wire. Splice it back together. Follow the wires to the connector on the firewall. unplug it (8mm bolt in center holding it down) and look for the only place where two small wires come out of the socket and merge into a single wire... (*photo added 4/17/12*)
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Post by mhellrazor83 on Sept 20, 2011 16:00:58 GMT -6
The wire I cut was the windshield wiper wire... I finally found the VATS wires which I had to do a lot of internet searching and found the location of the wires on a alarm company wiring diagram... But its works but I'm a little confused because IDK if the bypassed worked or just cutting the wires worked because I dislocated the bypass and the car starts no problem but the security light stays on
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Post by bobsblue95 on Sept 20, 2011 19:52:27 GMT -6
lol nice. someone may have already bypassed the system by other means. cutting the vats wires should cause the car not to crank at all.
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Post by egnorant on Nov 27, 2011 9:28:38 GMT -6
I did this today..just a bit differently. Since I had 2 keys I built a rig out of an old plastic fuse puller that I could just slip one of my keys into to insure that this was the problem.
Confirmed...! So I popped the "pill" off of one key and a battery clip stolen from an old McDonalds toy made a socket for the pill.
Cost: Nothing! Had fun with my Dremel and soldering iron also!
Bruce
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Post by 98redaurora on Apr 9, 2012 23:04:46 GMT -6
Will be doing this soon. Thanks
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Post by 98redaurora on Apr 17, 2012 13:16:24 GMT -6
I cant find the dark grey wire in my 98... I have found a light grey though.
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Post by sall on Apr 17, 2012 14:17:19 GMT -6
I cant find the dark grey wire in my 98... I have found a light grey though. Bob describes easy method to find the wire at the top of this page. It's not the VATS wire. Splice it back together. Follow the wires to the connector on the firewall. unplug it (8mm bolt in center holding it down) and look for the only place where two small wires come out of the socket and merge into a single wire.
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Post by bobsblue95 on Apr 17, 2012 16:02:23 GMT -6
Bob describes easy method to find the wire at the top of this page. It's not the VATS wire. Splice it back together. Follow the wires to the connector on the firewall. unplug it (8mm bolt in center holding it down) and look for the only place where two small wires come out of the socket and merge into a single wire. Just added a photo for clarity. HTH
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Post by 98redaurora on Apr 17, 2012 20:59:42 GMT -6
Dude! Thanks for the info.. Had no idea.
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Post by mjwalcott on Apr 19, 2012 13:33:21 GMT -6
with the bypass do you lose the entire security system
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Post by bobsblue95 on Apr 19, 2012 14:35:49 GMT -6
In my case, yes, because it's the only security system my car has. If you have an alarm, that should still work regardless. It just thinks you have a properly resistor-chipped key whether you do or not.
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Post by sall on Apr 19, 2012 15:16:49 GMT -6
Correct. '96-'99 you lose vehicle anti-theft but it does not effect content anti-theft system.
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Post by mjwalcott on Apr 23, 2012 6:27:59 GMT -6
so in other words, the alarm system would be fine, its just that someone could steal my car.
o yeah and to prevent the clean key wait 3 minutes, try turning plastic piece around the key instead of the key itself, i used to get the message every two start up attempts and it hasn't came on in a couple days, i wish i could get a picture but it looks like a U and it surrounds the key when you put it in the switch
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Post by sall on Apr 23, 2012 10:48:53 GMT -6
Correct. If I were to have to do this, I think I would wire in a relay where the resistor wasn't active unless the parking brake was pressed and depressed or some other sequence rather than a toggle switch or nothing at all.
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Post by Randy T. on Apr 26, 2012 20:19:23 GMT -6
Mine has a whole other ignition cylinder up under my dash, if I want the car to not be able to start, I can pull my second key, lol. I didn't make it like this, I discovered it a while back. Then the one in my column is not hooked up to anything so think I could use a key without a chip, but I haven't tried yet.
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Post by XJSman89 on Apr 27, 2012 11:46:27 GMT -6
That is actually a great idea... I'll see if I can snag one from the yard. I want to do this but I don't want to make my car easily (and somewhat permanently) steal able. I like the idea of a second key more than a removable resistor thing.
How is it hooked up, Randy? Just the VATS wire is attached on the second ignition? I wonder how this will work with the remote start, too...
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Post by sall on Apr 27, 2012 11:52:36 GMT -6
Why would you want an extra cylinder in there? Use a relay to hook to the parking brake and make it so you have to press and depress the park brake(or some other seqeunce) to activate the resistor string. Much easier than removing a key from a spare ignition and fumbling to insert it again to start your car. I think Randy is like that just because someone else did it and was the reason for his no start condition few months ago.
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Post by bobsblue95 on Apr 27, 2012 14:58:12 GMT -6
Or do like I did when I changed the tumbler for a non-vin matching key. Randy's had already been changed, but they didn't know how to compensate for the different resistor and left the second tumbler in as a clumsy (IMHO) fix. My ignition key came from the parts car. It won't open the doors, trunk or glove-box. (great for valet!) The resistor doesn't match either, so I added a "calibration" resistor to make the car see the correct resistance only if given the wrong resistance, whatever was on the parts car. I think it's slightly more secure than stock this way as nobody can create a key based on vin.
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Post by XJSman89 on Apr 28, 2012 3:15:44 GMT -6
A second cylinder would act as a fail safe when I'm in a bad neighborhood or if the car is parked long term, etc. I could just take the second key and it couldn't be started. Not an everyday thing. Downtown KC is really the only area where I would want to use it, but it would be nice to have. Just a personal preference thing; I like the idea of having a key that I can take that makes it impossible to start the car bc they'd have no idea that there is a second cylinder to bypass. Pressing the parking brake on and off doesn't do it for me.
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Post by bobsblue95 on Apr 28, 2012 7:58:45 GMT -6
How accessible is the second tumbler Randy?
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Post by RCA1186 on Apr 28, 2012 8:26:36 GMT -6
It won't open the doors, trunk or glove-box. (great for valet!). I thought the ignition key was already like that lol
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Post by sall on Apr 28, 2012 10:51:23 GMT -6
Does '95 not have valet key?
I only use park brake for example. It could be any sequence of anything to activate the resistor string. Could be an RFID tag. RFID modules can be purchased for as little as $20. I just can't see fumbling around under the dash in an area you'd be worried about your vehicle getting stolen. That's my opinion though.
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Post by bobsblue95 on Apr 28, 2012 21:27:59 GMT -6
Does '95 not have valet key? It's supposed to, but ever since I got it, the original ignition key could be used in all of the locks. Plus the ignition tumbler was messed up, so now that's all better.
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Post by miwilder on Apr 28, 2012 21:40:35 GMT -6
Thank you for instructions. It worked perfectly on my 1995 Aurora - just a little cramped working under the dash. MiWilder
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Post by sall on May 14, 2012 19:38:21 GMT -6
So, here is an RFID module like I was referring to a few posts up: This is the best solution IMO. When you are within range(~65ft) the resistor string will be activated allowing you to start the vehicle with a regular key(keyed to the ignition.) If I ever start to receive the "Clean Key Wait 3 Minutes" or other problems with keys/resistance, this would be the route I would take for 'extra' security. Until then feel free to try it. It's only $22.20 shipped! www.dealextreme.com/p/auto-recognition-system-dc-12-3v-105315?item=28
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Post by bobsblue95 on May 14, 2012 22:03:36 GMT -6
Neat... I bet you could also have it force your car into limp mode... you know, in case of carjacking. Just keep it in your shoe or something.
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Post by Oldsnut on Jul 7, 2012 8:26:47 GMT -6
Thanks for this How to, it saved a lot of time.
This made it very simple to save $600. What a wiring mess under the dash!! The previous owner installed all kinds of gadgets and just ripped them out leaving hanging wires. It looked like this fix was attempted previously in a very sloppy way. A resistor was taped to the wires with no solder, Uggggh. She fired right up. Hope no more issues with that anymore.
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Post by Randy T. on Jul 8, 2012 8:19:59 GMT -6
My extra key is fairly accessible, but not too easy to find. It's above the park brake area, takes 2 hands to pull the extra key. I think it's just wired in, and my ignition column key is not hooked into vats at all. My 6 month no start issue was because of the ignition switch, I found the extra cylinder when I was changing it.
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Post by joebuchman on Aug 17, 2012 0:27:01 GMT -6
THANKS! I've been having this problem for weeks and THANKS to your photos and instructions here I was able to buy the resistors, cut the cable, and bypass the security check on that key "chip" (aka resistor).
Having FUN again with (one of my three) Aurora(s)!
Joe
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Post by lance1 on Sept 23, 2012 12:48:16 GMT -6
Hi all! It’s been some time since I have been here. My 97 is stranding me time and time again in the worst places, like the gas station for 9 minutes at a time. I have two sets of key and I only need one. I don’t have an ohms meter so this is what I have thought up. I made a tight plastic sheath, Made two brass contacts with connectors. I would connect the VATS wires to the two connectors. Before I do this, as I am quite nervous a bought this, Do you think this will work? Or am I just going to cause problems? Thanks any and all for your input.
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