Contrails vs. Chemtrails *Many giant pics

[Randy T.]

To me there is not even a question that this is going on, the question is the reason behind it and why it's such a secret. This is going on all over the world, I have seen it in many pics and videos. I live in a small town that rarely has air traffic, on days that they spray the trails, the jets fly over constantly. They are white unmarked jets, with the occasional group of Stealth bombers. Pics linked below. I also lived in a bigger city, at the end of the local airport runway, for 5 years. The jets that spray the trails do not correspond with any of the normal airport traffic. The planes that spray also do not land at the airport, they have nothing to do with anything civilian, they fly in all directions, they do not stick with North, South, East, and West, they fly by and turn, and then come back. Commercial and passenger jets do not fly like this, the only time they would be visible turning is landing, taking off, and circling, waiting to land, not on their normal flight paths. I know that on a clear day, which is rare, they start spraying and the whole sky covers with clouds from the jets. I have a choppy time lapse video linked below that I took in about 3 hours.

Whatever they are doing, there is no question to me they are doing something, and our tax money is what is paying for all of this.



www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1958921375762.2097624.1324596678&type=1


www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJTKZH5WZe4

Below is a good article that explains pretty close, the argument on both sides.

www.exsradio.com/thechemtraildebate.htm


Below is one of a few newscasts that have been broadcast about it.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnF9RmGIwO0&feature=share

[lanceslambos]

if i can catch Bigfoot and take his flashlight i could solve the mystery of the Joplin spook light / Hornet spook light

[northofyou]

Hmmm....very interesting indeed! couldn't watch the you tube videos, need to download a new adobe reader and i have no idea on this relic where to find it. I did read the articles and well we all know that Gov't conspiracies have been around since the dawn of time! Since society started to exist in an organized fashion in a populous of some design (townships,cities, etc). I for one DO BELIEVE life exists on other planets. But these trails in the sky (I have witnessed as well here on the westcoast), I think there could be a much simpler explanation....

"The planes that spray also do not land at the airport, they have nothing to do with anything civilian, they fly in all directions, they do not stick with North, South, East, and West, they fly by and turn, and then come back" as per above.

What it looks like to me (gettin ready to put a foot in my mouth here! Lol. It's fun! Hahaha) maybe..... these patterns in the sky cross referenced along with a satellite grid on the ground could possibly tell Military/Air Force/NASA what exactly the air is doing at that particular point. Like Air speed, direction, up draft/down draft, turbulence type of details. I know that may be a simple explanation from a person that has no clue about aviation laws and flight paths but a simple explanation is often the most logical (Yeah big ole size 15 boot right in the kisser!). I can think of no other real reason for it, since there are no real flight paths that these planes take. A spontaneous and erratic patterns might give the best readings of all.

Hey there is a UFO proboard somewhere around here! Now those are the people that should have the best theory on this or shall we say cooked up mumbo jumbo

[roara]

Interesting debate for sure. I can certainly believe experimenting with chemicals from aircraft, I just can't believe much of it is anything more than contrails. In the midwest, you guys have jets going every direction with some standard flight routes obviously.

Check this snapshot of a typical 24 hr day of flights in and out of the US.
Pretty cool how the east coast gets going first and it moves west as the day goes on. It never ends, there's even trails at nite

flightaware.com/analysis/allflights_movie.rvt

[Randy T.]

Oct 12, 2011 0:41:47 GMT -6 roara said:

Interesting debate for sure. I can certainly believe experimenting with chemicals from aircraft, I just can't believe much of it is anything more than contrails. In the midwest, you guys have jets going every direction with some standard flight routes obviously.

Check this snapshot of a typical 24 hr day of flights in and out of the US.
Pretty cool how the east coast gets going first and it moves west as the day goes on. It never ends, there's even trails at nite

flightaware.com/analysis/allflights_movie.rvt

That's a sweet link, thanks. I have a lot more reading and investigating to do, I would like to disprove it as much as prove it, that way I don't have to stress about it anymore, lol. I am going to work on posting some of my pics here.

Northofyou, I have read some stories about it having to do with helping radar work better, so you are not to far off in thinking that could be possible.

[lanceslambos]

no point in worrying about it either way bud. there's nothing we can do unless we can get a hold of wonder woman's invisible jet and follow them.

[northofyou]

Nice! I was really going for plausible there! Lol. Raora! nice link! It looks like a horizontal heart almost with all of those Aorta's! Almost like a living entity

[Randy T.]

These are all pics I have taken when they are spraying, so whether they are spraying or not these jets are around when it's happening. I didn't think the Stealths left lasting trails, but I saw 2 make an x in front of the sun that lasted over an hour until I lost sight of it. Yes, I am crazy.

I see this red one often, sometimes it will fly right in front of and above jets that are spraying, as portrayed in the pic with the moon.







Chemtrail sunset, all clouds are from the condensation from the jets the weather man this day said the light cloud cover was from an "energy wave that blew up from Texas".











This is one of the weirder pics I have took, if you look below the jet trail there is a metal ball looking thing. I don't have a clue what it is, could be anything. It didn't appear in the pic before or after this pic, I was taking a few in a row.









Zoomed in from the pic above.

















Red tail on this jet, can't make out a name or anything.













Most jets you can't hear, but you can really hear the Stealths when they fly by. They do not just fly by, when they show up they circle the town over and over, they are easier to watch than the white jets. The Stealths usually don't spray, either, usually just the normal contrails from them, but I have seen them spray lately.















































If these are flying at 30,000 feet and above, would I be able to get pics like this? I just have a regular camera, a Canon S5IS.















This one looks like it is turned on when it is going through the cloud, then off when out of it, I see this a lot.





























I have seen this several times, you will see 2-4 jets doing this at the same time. The next pic after this one is zoomed in.









The next 2 pics are an example of how the trails spread over time.

[Randy T.]

I have a lot more sweet pics but this stuff is wearing me out. When I was uploading to photo bucket an ad said "Do you work for the government, lol."

[roara]

Very cool pics. I'll chime in tomorrow

[lanceslambos]

some things i noticed that beg explanation:

going from top to bottom-

pic 2. two jets are shown flying at approx. the same altitude otherwise they would not be about the same size. yet one is leaving a trail and the other one is not. if jets leave contrails naturally at a certain height, please explain why they both aren't leaving one!

pic 8. why is this plane leaving a single trail vs duals plus why isn't the trail touching the plane like all the others?

pic 9. if you save this pic on your computer and zoom in on it there is plainly a shadow on the bottom of the ball thus nothing on the lens.

pic 12. why does this trail stop and go?

pic 13. this is a great shot of wonder woman's invisible jet. with the sun shining that brightly into the trail we should see a glint of something metal but???

pics 14 & 15. is that round thing on top of the jet the ball we see in pic 9 or is it a radar dish?

pic 21 & 22. maybe it's the virgin mobile jet! lol

pic 30. why is the stealth white and not black? i know they are covered in special glass tiles to reflect the surrounding surface to aid in visual camouflage. it also hides their radar signature but that's white!

pic 36. why is this jet making such an abrupt turn? that is not a typical flight path

pic 41. this is a typical contrail- the jet is at a very high altitude and the trail disappears quickly instead of hanging around like the poisonous chemtrails

pic 56 & 57. this on and off deal is exactly what i caught on film too only it was turned on through the cloud then off when it went through another trail.
aurorah.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Ride&action=display&thread=9628&page=140

pic 59. there is a blue orb at 5 o'clock under the plane

pic 73. there is no way that plane was flying nearly high enough to produce contrails!!!

some notes: where are the windows on these planes? i don't see any hint of any in a single pic, that's unusual. why do these "commercial passenger jets" only have a single turbine on each wing? don't they usually have 2 or 3 per wing because of the weight of passengers? then again the chemicals probably wouldn't weigh as much as passengers + luggage. i realize not all passenger jets have more than one engine per wing like the newer ones but the newer ones are more pointy in the nose / cockpit and these aren't. pic 47 - 49 do have dual engines however and they are leaving 3 trails behind not 1 or 2.

BTW, is that an Oldsmobile?
blog.modernmechanix.com/2006/11/14/rocket-brakes-for-emergency-stops/

[Randy T.]

It has been clear here all day nothing but blue skies, I did not see one jet, but then I noticed a man made cloud over the horizon. And as I have seen several times the jets are not far behind, when a chem cloud is floating along, they maintain it and make it bigger.

[Randy T.]

I have saw 20 jets since the last post.

Here is another good link for tracking flights, you can only select one airline at a time, that I can tell. I would like to see all of them together.

www.helloflight.com/

[Randy T.]

Saw another 20 more, so far, got some more pics to post later, lol.

[northofyou]

Your friggin nuts! and obsessed! LMAO!

[roara]

Welcome to ACNA, Aerial Chemtrails of North America

[roara]

Oct 12, 2011 23:17:17 GMT -6 Randy T. said:

These are all pics I have taken when they are spraying, so whether they are spraying or not these jets are around when it's happening. I didn't think the Stealths left lasting trails, but I saw 2 make an x in front of the sun that lasted over an hour until I lost sight of it. Yes, I am crazy.

I see this red one often, sometimes it will fly right in front of and above jets that are spraying, as portrayed in the pic with the moon.

This all looks pretty normal to me. I've been watching aircraft as long as I can remember. Pops worked for The Boeing Co in Seattle and I learned to identify most commercial aircraft from a young age.

Not positive of all the livery east of the Rockies but the red tail looks like maybe Fed-X? (distorted purple from sunlight)

Photo Courtesy of FlightAware.com

Definitely in the last pics with the "triples" its Fed-X (the upper engine designed for chemicals, lol)

The four engine looks like a 747SP or maybe Lufthansa Airbus A320? The dark bellied twins are 757/767's.

As far as trails in the clouds...and then not...I see that around here too, the cloud areas are moister and the trails hang and they dissipate
in the drier air.

The s-turns I see around here too almost daily. Planes northbound over Portland are basically starting to line up for Seattle (or Bellingham / Canada) and when they are "too close" side by side the plane thats behind will do a half "s" and come in behind the other, now several miles back.

I have seen full circles here too which are either F-15's out of PDX or...possibly a 5-10 minute delay if things are getting crowded towards Seattle? Not sure, I've never seen the plane that made the circle. If anyone here is an ATC or knows one we could confirm a full 360 turn delay in the middle of a flight?

Killer pics of the B-2 bombers! I wish I could see those in these parts! ;D

[Randy T.]

Oct 13, 2011 21:06:05 GMT -6 roara said:

Welcome to ACNA, Aerial Chemtrails of North America

Lol.

Oct 13, 2011 22:11:37 GMT -6 roara said:

Definitely in the last pics with the "triples" its Fed-X (the upper engine designed for chemicals, lol)

Do you mean the pics with the three trails coming out? If that is the case then why are there 2 of them grouped together doing the same thing? As I stated earlier I lived by the runway of the Spfd Airport for 5 years, 1 Fed-x and 1 Ups jet both show up once every day between 10-11pm. Maybe they showed up early that day and decided to do some weird things by my town.

Oct 13, 2011 22:11:37 GMT -6 roara said:

I have seen full circles here too which are either F-15's out of PDX or...possibly a 5-10 minute delay if things are getting crowded towards Seattle? Not sure, I've never seen the plane that made the circle. If anyone here is an ATC or knows one we could confirm a full 360 turn delay in the middle of a flight?

I saw that by the airport a lot and the circles are normal activity for a big airport or town. Especially with military aircraft training and stuff, they will practice taking off and landing with small jets sometimes. They also do a lot of practice with an old 4 prop bomber(not sure of the name), they have 2 of these that they circle and practice landing with, I always enjoyed watching them.
But the town I live in now only has an airport for personal aircraft, so the jets I see should just be passing by at 30,000 feet or above. Most not all, but the jets I see during the spraying are over and over again.

[Randy T.]

Oct 13, 2011 20:49:21 GMT -6 northofyou said:

Your friggin nuts! and obsessed! LMAO!

I know, lol. At least I am aware that I am crazy. Nothing anyone can say will change what I think, either. I have watched planes since I was a kid, I have also live by major airports almost 20 years of my life. The activity I observe and map out in my mind is not normal, they make clouds that drift down and cover us a night. The main ingredients are barium and aluminum, and there is an Alzheimers epidemic now bigger then ever, some people think the trails are the cause. What could be scarier then forgetting everything you ever knew? Alzheimers kills the mind, body, and soul, forever.

Google "chaff", then google "the Georgia Guidestones" some interesting stuff to read that is related to this.

[Randy T.]

October 13, 2011.

This is a description of what I observed yesterday. The day started out clear and blue, looking like the sky should look. It was a nice windy day and another beautiful day in the Ozarks, I looked all morning and early afternoon and did not see 1 jet or plane in the sky. About 3pm I started noticing a haze on the western horizon, I could tell it was a man made cloud, they look way different than mother natures work.

The cloud continued drifting my way, and of course I started noticing the jets along with it. In my observance I have notice that they start these giant chem clouds and they get bigger the more they spray, the jets follow the clouds, maintain them, and make them bigger by spraying more. I leave my shop at 7pm and by that time the cloud had pretty much floated to the south east, towards Springfield. The jets were all gone too, I could not see any in the sky anymore, but I could see way in the Western horizon that another one would be here in a few hours. It was real far but I could see the jets spraying in front of the sunset.

I watched the news last night and they said there was going to be a cloud cover today. Since I knew no rain was in the forecast, I figured it was going to be a big chemical day. The news people report the chemical clouds even before they happen. Well they sprayed enough last night that today there is a giant cloud cover of chemicals now. The jets are all over us right now, spraying it, maintaining it. It makes me sad, and people with poor health are going to have an even harder day today. It really pisses me off that our tax money pays for this stuff.

I have pictures of the activity from yesterday, I saw at least 50 jets fly by in less then 3 hours. They all came and went with the giant chem cloud. I even saw an Aurora spraying chemtrails, and a couple regular planes are in the mix, too.,


I hope all these pics are not too big, if they are I will resize them all tonight.


This is a pic showing the blue sky with the chem clouds drifting into the picture.







































































































































































































My goal is not to change or sway anybodies opinion, I just want people to take notice of this occurrence and make their own opinion. I am fully aware how crazy all this sounds, but I still believe something huge is going on. This subject has become taboo in our society because of how big it is.

[lanceslambos]

out of the new batch of pics what is that at 2 o'clock, 7th pic down? and what are the black things in the first pic above the sunset?

[Randy T.]

Oct 14, 2011 18:02:07 GMT -6 lanceslambos said:

out of the new batch of pics what is that at 2 o'clock, 7th pic down? and what are the black things in the first pic above the sunset?

Yeah, that's a weird one. I noticed a few more weird ones in the last set of pics while I was looking at the originals. I will start it out with one of my weirdest ones from last week. I will also state that my camera lens has a couple weird spots on it. One is a big dark circle that is quite noticeable, then there are 2 tiny red lints and 1 white lint, you only see the "lints" when you are zoomed in and such. I need to take it apart and clean it, but I know where my funny spots are, and the pics below, as you will see, are way beyond any piece of dirt on the lens.

• Big metal looking ball thing, kinda has a shape, and a shadow beneath it.
  
• What looks to be, several or more metal looking ball things.
  
• This is one Lance pointed out, looks like a remote control metal space shuttle or bird. Or a weird plane or just some kind of glare or glitch.
  
• Dark circle by the jet.
  
• Not the glare off of the jet, but the dark circle to the right of it.
  
• This one is really freaky, why is the tail of the jet not connected to the rest of it? Has to be some kind of camera malfunction or illusion.
  
• This is the same jet within the same minute, but I zoomed in with my camera.
  
• And is anyone else getting the government ads at the top? lol. I saw them on photobucket, too.
  

[lanceslambos]

is it possible that the disturbance in the air with heat and cold exchange and wind speeds at the tail of the jet is hiding part of the plane and acting like a mirror?

[Randy T.]

I don't have a clue, anything is possible. Here is a pic of the missing tail section, but cropped.

[roara]

Thats a "T" tail so, the vertical part is thin and hard to see from a distance. I'm guessing its a 717 (rename of a DC-9)



As far as that "ball" maybe a lower level plane coming towards you?

[lanceslambos]

OR... maybe it's the minions of Satan coming from dark side of the moon terminal 666 to poke you in your sleep tonight Randy

[roara]

Oct 14, 2011 9:22:52 GMT -6 Randy T. said:

Oct 13, 2011 21:06:05 GMT -6 roara said:

Welcome to ACNA, Aerial Chemtrails of North America

Lol.



Do you mean the pics with the three trails coming out? If that is the case then why are there 2 of them grouped together doing the same thing? As I stated earlier I lived by the runway of the Spfd Airport for 5 years, 1 Fed-x and 1 Ups jet both show up once every day between 10-11pm. Maybe they showed up early that day and decided to do some weird things by my town.

Yes on the triples, the three trails. There's a buttload of packages being moved east of the Rockies, maybe two Fed-X ? You're not that far (as the jet flies) from the Memphis Fed-X superhub. All the purple looking planes are either Fed-X or Collins ;D

[roara]

Oct 14, 2011 9:22:52 GMT -6 Randy T. said:

Oct 13, 2011 21:06:05 GMT -6 roara said:

Welcome to ACNA, Aerial Chemtrails of North America

Lol.



Do you mean the pics with the three trails coming out? If that is the case then why are there 2 of them grouped together doing the same thing? As I stated earlier I lived by the runway of the Spfd Airport for 5 years, 1 Fed-x and 1 Ups jet both show up once every day between 10-11pm. Maybe they showed up early that day and decided to do some weird things by my town.

Oct 13, 2011 22:11:37 GMT -6 roara said:

I have seen full circles here too which are either F-15's out of PDX or...possibly a 5-10 minute delay if things are getting crowded towards Seattle? Not sure, I've never seen the plane that made the circle. If anyone here is an ATC or knows one we could confirm a full 360 turn delay in the middle of a flight?

I saw that by the airport a lot and the circles are normal activity for a big airport or town. Especially with military aircraft training and stuff, they will practice taking off and landing with small jets sometimes. They also do a lot of practice with an old 4 prop bomber(not sure of the name), they have 2 of these that they circle and practice landing with, I always enjoyed watching them.
But the town I live in now only has an airport for personal aircraft, so the jets I see should just be passing by at 30,000 feet or above. Most not all, but the jets I see during the spraying are over and over again.

Planes circling high enough to leave a trail won't be landing at the airport nearby, they're stalling (most likely) because of traffic at the airport they're heading to. You should also be seeing lower level jets heading in to airports 100 mi away or more, descending gently and lining up on approach, or powering out. If they are loud(ish) they are under power and outbound. If they are somewhat quiet, they are inbound and descending.

[Randy T.]

DC-9s appear to have the engines back further than in my pic. The front and wings look the same, though. You can also view my pics a little easier if you save them to your computer as opposed to viewing them on imageshack.



The ball appears to be a lot closer than the jet is, and I have shots before and after of this same jet, where there is nothing at all except the jet. If it was a plane it probably would have shown up in more then one pic. I also did not see this object with my eyes at the time, I was just taking pics of the jet trail.

I appreciate you taking the time to look at my pics, too. I want to see what "sane" people think about this stuff. I myself have a hard time believing what I am seeing and am looking for an explanation. The trails alone were bothering me enough, now I have a bunch of unexplainable pics I have to deal with, lol.

I am thinking the jets are holograms and the metal balls broadcast them. I also think all you people are crazy. rofl.

[Randy T.]

Oct 15, 2011 12:13:31 GMT -6 roara said:

Yes on the triples, the three trails. There's a buttload of packages being moved east of the Rockies, maybe two Fed-X ? You're not that far (as the jet flies) from the Memphis Fed-X superhub. All the purple looking planes are either Fed-X or Collins ;D

Collins! I knew that purple Aurora was too fast! Keep that thing under control! lololol